25 Oct
2024
25 Oct
'24
6:53 a.m.
Good day, one and all!
I want to work on an XEP which would define "link collections", which I
think would also be useful for FASI (HTML invite page for XMPP), which
already indicates of articles, when articles are present (see attached
image).
See example profiles under "New Members" at https://libertylinks.io
Would Data Forms be the appropriate mean to achieve it?
Kind regards,
Schimon
25 Oct
25 Oct
11:23 a.m.
Le vendredi 25 octobre 2024, 06:53:03 heure d’été d’Europe centrale Schimon
Jehudah a écrit :
Good day, one and all!
I want to work on an XEP which would define "link collections", which I
think would also be useful for FASI (HTML invite page for XMPP), which
already indicates of articles, when articles are present (see attached
image).
See example profiles under "New Members" at https://libertylinks.io
Would Data Forms be the appropriate mean to achieve it?
Kind regards,
Schimon
I'm not sure is the data forms is the more appropriate. I think I would do it
with a dedicated XML element instead (don't we have already something for
that? It really smells like public bookmark to me).
For the record, I have a very similar use case where I want to register a list
of URL *AND* Pubsub Nodes: I have an invitation feature in Libervia with
associate a URL with an ID to a guest account, and I'm storing there links of
interest (for instance: a MUC, a pubsub node, etc). I've been using my own
stuff so far, but I'm planning to work on a XEP, so maybe we can do something
together?
Of course pubsub node can be stored as URL, be it's cleaner to use directly a
specific element.
Basically, I need a pubsub node with well-defined items to describe URL, pubsub
nodes, MUC rooms, or whatever, optionally with description and possibility to
extend with extra data.
Best,
Goffi
5:52 p.m.
Hey,
Profile page sounds like vCard to me. You can have arbitrary many URLs
in a vCard 4 and publish it via XEP-0292.
Best,
Marvin
On Fri, 2024-10-25 at 07:53 +0300, Schimon Jehudah wrote:
Good day, one and all!
I want to work on an XEP which would define "link collections", which
I
think would also be useful for FASI (HTML invite page for XMPP),
which
already indicates of articles, when articles are present (see
attached
image).
See example profiles under "New Members" at https://libertylinks.io
Would Data Forms be the appropriate mean to achieve it?
Kind regards,
Schimon
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26 Oct
26 Oct
6:47 p.m.
Greetings, Marvin!
Thank you for your respond and reference!
Yes. I think a public profile page is indeed a vCard.
I will observe XEP-0292 and inform of further progress.
Cheers,
Schimon
On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:52:12 +0200
Marvin W <xmpp(a)larma.de> wrote:
Hey,
Profile page sounds like vCard to me. You can have arbitrary many URLs
in a vCard 4 and publish it via XEP-0292.
Best,
Marvin
On Fri, 2024-10-25 at 07:53 +0300, Schimon Jehudah wrote:
Good day, one and all!
I want to work on an XEP which would define "link collections",
which I
think would also be useful for FASI (HTML invite page for XMPP),
which
already indicates of articles, when articles are present (see
attached
image).
See example profiles under "New Members" at https://libertylinks.io
Would Data Forms be the appropriate mean to achieve it?
Kind regards,
Schimon
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29 Oct
29 Oct
8:08 a.m.
Good day. Marvin.
Apparently, vCard4 Over XMPP does not support my objective.
I wish to have custom labels or additional label, specifically for URIs
and URLs.
From: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0292.html#mapping-removed
NOTE:
vcard-temp allowed a LABEL element, but it was removed from vCard4
If there is a link to a Movim instance, then I want a label with the
name of the instance (i.e. monocles, Movim, Pimux), and so for
Libervia, PeerTube, Pleroma etc.
<i2p>
<parameters />
<uri>http://mycoolsite.i2p</uri>
</i2p>
<movim>
<parameters />
<uri>https://mov.im/?blog/sch</uri>
</movim>
<peertube>
<parameters />
<uri>https://video.xmpp-it.net/c/sch/videos</uri>
</peertube>
<xmpp>
<parameters />
<uri>xmpp:sch@mov.im</uri>
</xmpp>
or
<url>
<label>My I2P Site</label>
<uri>http://myi2psite.i2p</uri>
<photo>http://myi2psite.i2p/logo.svg</photo>
</url>
<url>
<label>📔️ My Journal</label>
<uri>http://journal.myi2psite.i2p</uri>
</url>
<url>
<label>My Business Site</label>
<uri>http://mybusinesssite.i2p</uri>
<photo>http://mybusinesssite.i2p/logo.svg</photo>
</url>
<url>
<label>☁️ Movim</label>
<uri>https://mov.im/?blog/sch</uri>
</url>
<url>
<label>📺️ PeerTube</label>
<uri>https://video.xmpp-it.net/c/sch/videos</uri>
</url>
<url>
<label>💠️ My IPFS Nest</label>
<uri>ipfs://hash_to_a_current_collection</uri>
</url>
<url>
<label>🫏️ eDonkey2000</label>
<uri>ed2k://my_ed2k_identity</uri>
</url>
<impp>
<label>💡️ Jabber</label>
<uri>xmpp:sch@mov.im</uri>
</impp>
<encryption>
<label>🔐️ OpenPGP</label>
<text>0000 1111 0000 1111 0000</text>
</encryption>
<encryption>
<label>🖥️ SSH</label>
<text>1111 0000 1111 0000 1111</text>
</encryption>
Mr. Stephen Paul Weber has suggested to add a custom child element
Could also do a namespaced child element of
<url/>
{https://mycoolproject.com}branded-type or something
He has also raised the possibility for registering a new label, or
adding "x-BRAND" to non-registered label.
use x (not suggested). It's not a perfect fit but
you could use
sort-as
I mean if you could come up with some more generic
things than
"peertube" (maybe social-video) is whatever I could see registering
them as tuypes being not impossible. But it's work of course.
I am not sure whether I am ready to complicate this, and intervene with
a standard node (urn:xmpp:vcard4), as it might lead to confusion
amongst people who develop for XMPP for the first time, and also to
myself.
Unless there is another XEP which I could use, I intend to create a
custom Node Name, and a custom XML with labels and attributes that
would indicate of types, and suggest of an XEP for an extended vCard to
which I might call "Resource Collection" or "Reference Collection",
or
"Extended Virtual Card".
P.S. If I recall correctly, years ago, there were discussions about
custom fields for XMPP Profile. I wonder how it was concluded.
Kind regards,
Schimon
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:47:03 +0300
Schimon Jehudah <sch(a)fedora.email> wrote:
Greetings, Marvin!
Thank you for your respond and reference!
Yes. I think a public profile page is indeed a vCard.
I will observe XEP-0292 and inform of further progress.
Cheers,
Schimon
On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:52:12 +0200
Marvin W <xmpp(a)larma.de> wrote:
Hey,
Profile page sounds like vCard to me. You can have arbitrary many
URLs in a vCard 4 and publish it via XEP-0292.
Best,
Marvin
On Fri, 2024-10-25 at 07:53 +0300, Schimon Jehudah wrote:
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I want to work on an XEP which would define "link collections",
which I
think would also be useful for FASI (HTML invite page for XMPP),
which
already indicates of articles, when articles are present (see
attached
image).
See example profiles under "New Members"
at https://libertylinks.io
Would Data Forms be the appropriate mean to achieve it?
Kind regards,
Schimon
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11:16 a.m.
Hi Schimon,
I see multiple options to use vCard:
1. Use a group with a URL and the custom X-ABLabel property. This is a
widely implemented custom property used to label URLs (and other
fields, including IMPP). It's supported by at least Apple (iOS and
macOS), Nextcloud and Android (DAVx5). In vCard notation it looks like
this:
myi2psite.URL:http://myi2psite.i2p
myi2psite.X-ABLabel:My I2P Site
mybusinesssite.URL;TYPE=work:http://mybusinesssite.i2p
mybusinesssite.X-ABLabel:My Business Site
The reason why this is not possible using standard LABEL (if it were
specified), NOTE or similar properties, is that grouping support is
optional in vCard. Clients are allowed to strip all group prefixes
(what is before the property name, separated by ".") if they don't want
to have grouping support, meaning that any official property must be
designed with that in mind and thus can't relate to a specific other
property.
X-ABLabel, in contrast, requires clients to support grouping and is
entirely ignored by clients that don't support it. Thus a non grouping-
and thus also non-X-ABLabel-aware client would read the above as:
URL:http://myi2psite.i2p
URL;TYPE=work:http://mybusinesssite.i2p
Which of course is a loss of information, but still a very good
fallback.
The XML notation of above would be:
<group name="myi2psite">
<url><uri>http://myi2psite.i2p</uri></url>
<x-ablabel><text>My I2P Site</text></x-ablabel>
</group>
<group name="mybusinesssite">
<url>
<parameters><type><text>work</text></type></parameters>
<uri>http://mybusinesssite.i2p</uri>
</url>
<x-ablabel><text>My Business Site</text></x-ablabel>
</group>
2. If you don't feel like using groups and don't need or want
interoperability with existing implementations, you can also declare a
new custom property
myi2psite.URL;X-FASI-Label=My I2P Site:http://myi2psite.i2p
mybusinesssite.URL;TYPE=work;X-FASI-Label=My Business
Site:http://mybusinesssite.i2p
The XML notation of above would be:
<url>
<parameters><x-fasi-label><text>My I2P Site</text></x-fasi-
label></parameters>
<uri>http://myi2psite.i2p</uri>
</url>
<url>
<parameters>
<type><text>work</text></type>
<x-fasi-label><text>My Business Site</text></x-fasi-label>
</parameters>
<uri>http://mybusinesssite.i2p</uri>
</url>
3. If even convertibility to plain vCard is not necessary for you, you
could even use any custom namespace inside the vCard <url> property.
Clients unaware of it would strip it out when parsing or converting to
plain vCard, leaving only the plain URLs intact. While technically
possible, I think solutions 1 and 2 are way better - with 1 being
probably the best and most interoperable option.
Marvin
PS: The functionality of the LABEL property in vCard before version 4
is still present today, it just has a completely different meaning.
LABEL is referring to postal address labels, the property would include
the text that needs to be written on a postal label to deliver to the
person referred to in the vCard. In vCard 4.0 this became a property
parameter of ADR, because it is directly tied to a physical address.
On Tue, 2024-10-29 at 09:08 +0200, Schimon Jehudah wrote:
Good day. Marvin.
Apparently, vCard4 Over XMPP does not support my objective.
I wish to have custom labels or additional label, specifically for
URIs
and URLs.
From: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0292.html#mapping-removed
NOTE:
vcard-temp allowed a LABEL element, but it was removed from vCard4
If there is a link to a Movim instance, then I want a label with the
name of the instance (i.e. monocles, Movim, Pimux), and so for
Libervia, PeerTube, Pleroma etc.
<i2p>
<parameters />
<uri>http://mycoolsite.i2p</uri>
</i2p>
<movim>
<parameters />
<uri>https://mov.im/?blog/sch</uri>
</movim>
<peertube>
<parameters />
<uri>https://video.xmpp-it.net/c/sch/videos</uri>
</peertube>
<xmpp>
<parameters />
<uri>xmpp:sch@mov.im</uri>
</xmpp>
or
<url>
<label>My I2P Site</label>
<uri>http://myi2psite.i2p</uri>
<photo>http://myi2psite.i2p/logo.svg</photo>
</url>
<url>
<label>📔️ My Journal</label>
<uri>http://journal.myi2psite.i2p</uri>
</url>
<url>
<label>My Business Site</label>
<uri>http://mybusinesssite.i2p</uri>
<photo>http://mybusinesssite.i2p/logo.svg</photo>
</url>
<url>
<label>☁️ Movim</label>
<uri>https://mov.im/?blog/sch</uri>
</url>
<url>
<label>📺️ PeerTube</label>
<uri>https://video.xmpp-it.net/c/sch/videos</uri>
</url>
<url>
<label>💠️ My IPFS Nest</label>
<uri>ipfs://hash_to_a_current_collection</uri>
</url>
<url>
<label>🫏️ eDonkey2000</label>
<uri>ed2k://my_ed2k_identity</uri>
</url>
<impp>
<label>💡️ Jabber</label>
<uri>xmpp:sch@mov.im</uri>
</impp>
<encryption>
<label>🔐️ OpenPGP</label>
<text>0000 1111 0000 1111 0000</text>
</encryption>
<encryption>
<label>🖥️ SSH</label>
<text>1111 0000 1111 0000 1111</text>
</encryption>
Mr. Stephen Paul Weber has suggested to add a custom child element
Could also do a namespaced child element of
<url/>
{https://mycoolproject.com}branded-type or something
He has also raised the possibility for registering a new label, or
adding "x-BRAND" to non-registered label.
use x (not suggested). It's not a perfect fit
but you could use
sort-as
I mean if you could come up with some more
generic things than
"peertube" (maybe social-video) is whatever I could see registering
them as tuypes being not impossible. But it's work of course.
I am not sure whether I am ready to complicate this, and intervene
with
a standard node (urn:xmpp:vcard4), as it might lead to confusion
amongst people who develop for XMPP for the first time, and also to
myself.
Unless there is another XEP which I could use, I intend to create a
custom Node Name, and a custom XML with labels and attributes that
would indicate of types, and suggest of an XEP for an extended vCard
to
which I might call "Resource Collection" or "Reference Collection",
or
"Extended Virtual Card".
P.S. If I recall correctly, years ago, there were discussions about
custom fields for XMPP Profile. I wonder how it was concluded.
Kind regards,
Schimon
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:47:03 +0300
Schimon Jehudah <sch(a)fedora.email> wrote:
> Greetings, Marvin!
>
> Thank you for your respond and reference!
>
> Yes. I think a public profile page is indeed a vCard.
>
> I will observe XEP-0292 and inform of further progress.
>
> Cheers,
> Schimon
>
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:52:12 +0200
> Marvin W <xmpp(a)larma.de> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > Profile page sounds like vCard to me. You can have arbitrary many
> > URLs in a vCard 4 and publish it via XEP-0292.
> >
> > Best,
> > Marvin
> >
> > On Fri, 2024-10-25 at 07:53 +0300, Schimon Jehudah wrote:
> > > Good day, one and all!
> > >
> > > I want to work on an XEP which would define "link collections",
> > > which I
> > > think would also be useful for FASI (HTML invite page for
> > > XMPP),
> > > which
> > > already indicates of articles, when articles are present (see
> > > attached
> > > image).
> > >
> > > See example profiles under "New Members"
> > > at https://libertylinks.io
> > >
> > > Would Data Forms be the appropriate mean to achieve it?
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Schimon
> > > _______________________________________________
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8:33 a.m.
Good day. Jérôme.
I did not receive your message from the mailing-list.
This is not the first time. Please be sure that you send a direct
email message to my email as well; if you may, that is.
I have noticed your message upon loading the thread via the HTML
interface
https://mail.jabber.org/hyperkitty/list/standards@xmpp.org/thread/WEJSGHPPE…
I suppose that you have received the message that I have sent today, in
response to Marvin, concerning to XEP-0292: vCard4 Over XMPP.
I'm not sure is the data forms is the more
appropriate. I think I
would do it with a dedicated XML element instead (don't we have
already something for that? It really smells like public bookmark to
me).
I have implemented a public annotation system for XMPP, which is based
on Atom Over XMPP (XEP-0277 and XEP-0472), and I want to create an XEP
for it.
Presentation : https://video.xmpp-it.net/w/cfozoUeVLFbBFMCCSCJ1Dn
Project : https://git.xmpp-it.net/sch/Blasta
Instance : https://blasta.woodpeckersnest.eu (Please try and test)
Yet, I want something smaller and specific for a "Profile Page" as
shown in LibertyLinks.io and other fifty (50) similar services which I
have found to do the same.
I might even want to use the Atom Syndication Format in order to create
custom elements which is supported by the standard and also to utilize
the attribute "rel" (related) which would define sets of related
resources, which can be useful.
Example for related links to node "urn:xmpp:microblog:0" of account
sch(a)libervia.i2p:
http://libervia.i2p/sch (Libervia instance)
http://libervia.i2p/?blog/sch (Movim instance)
gemini://libervia.i2p/journal/sch (XMPP for Gemini instance)
xmpp:sch@movim.i2p?pubsub;node=urn:xmpp:microblog:0 (XMPP URI)
For the record, I have a very similar use case where I
want to
register a list of URL *AND* Pubsub Nodes: I have an invitation
feature in Libervia with associate a URL with an ID to a guest
account, and I'm storing there links of interest (for instance: a
MUC, a pubsub node, etc). I've been using my own stuff so far, but
I'm planning to work on a XEP, so maybe we can do something together?
Yes! Please. I am working on adding such feature to FASI.
https://git.xmpp-it.net/sch/FASI
Of course pubsub node can be stored as URL, be
it's cleaner to use
directly a specific element.
Basically, I need a pubsub node with well-defined items to describe
URL, pubsub nodes, MUC rooms, or whatever, optionally with
description and possibility to extend with extra data.
Good! I will contact you on the Libervia MUC.
Best,
Goffi
Thank you,
Schimon
On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 07:53:03 +0300
Schimon Jehudah <sch(a)fedora.email> wrote:
> Good day, one and all!
>
> I want to work on an XEP which would define "link collections",
> which I think would also be useful for FASI (HTML invite page for
> XMPP), which already indicates of articles, when articles are
> present (see attached image).
>
> See example profiles under "New Members" at https://libertylinks.io
>
> Would Data Forms be the appropriate mean to achieve it?
>
> Kind regards,
> Schimon
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