[JDEV] Message timestamping and route tracking

Daniel Arbuckle djarb at wvc-omak.ctc.edu
Tue Oct 5 09:45:09 CDT 1999

You seem to have gotten my proposal backwards. My appologies for not being

What I suggest is that the timestamps be in GMT. Always, without
exception. I would then like to add an optional attribute which, when
added to the GMT time, gives the local time. If it's not there, no
problem, it was only for the user's convenience, not for the program's
use. Algorithms should use the GMT time, which is guaranteed to be


On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Benjamin Holzman wrote:

> Daniel Arbuckle wrote:
> > 
> > Make tz optional. If it's not there, no problem. Also, tz should be
> > formatted as a number of hourse to add or subtract from GMT rather than by
> > name or something.
> Er, if it can *sometimes* be there, then every application will have to
> deal with it.  Consider the common case where you want to sort a bunch
> of messages.  If some of them might have a timezone, you have to convert
> each timestamp to a neutral format; say, GMT.  Why not just have the
> timestamp be in GMT to begin with?  If you want to see timestamps in
> your local time, that's the job of your client to display them that way.
> > 
> > What this adds is the ability to know the local time when the message
> > passed through each server. For relaying servers, this isn't valuable
> > information; for the sender's and receiver's home servers, it is.
> > 
> > What would be the point of adding geographic information? This is all
> > about time, and an offset from GMT is the simplest universal way of
> > declaring a time.
> I respectfully disagree. I suggest that *GMT* (or some other suitable
> frame of reference) is the simplest universal way of declaring a time. A
> timezone implies longitude to a certain degree (China notwithstanding),
> which is why I thought you wanted to capture geographic information.
> -- 
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