[JDEV] Does IBM chooses XMPP or SIMPLE?

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Mon May 19 14:19:20 CDT 2003

On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 03:01:22PM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote:
> Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> >The only company in the IM market that has made a true commitment to
> >SIP/SIMPLE is Microsoft, which has implemented early versions of some
> >SIMPLE protocols in its beta enterprise IM product, called Greenwich.
> >There are many limits to how much SIMPLE functionality Greenwich can 
> >contain for the "simple" reason that the protocol is very incomplete and
> >was probably even less complete when MS started development. Even now,
> >SIMPLE does not possess the ability to do chat (only single messages),
> >groupchat, rosters, etc. Plus I understand that Greenwich also does not
> >have any kind of server-to-server functionality, so user at company1 can't
> >communicate with contact at company2 (though supposedly that functionality
> >is coming in a future release -- heard that before?).
> >
> >I applaud MS for committing to an open protocol in one of its instant 
> >messaging products (though this is their enterprise product, not its 
> >consumer service, and it remains to be seen whether Microsoft's embrace 
> >of SIMPLE will include "extensions" as well). We certainly can't say 
> >the same thing about AOL or Yahoo, which is unfortunate. 
> By "consumer service", do you mean MSN Messenger? So, that MSN Messenger 
> isn't based on SIMPLE, but just another proprietary protocol? Of course, 
> even if it would be based on SIMPLE, they still had to provide 
> extensions, as SIMPLE doesn't support chat sessions.

Yes, I mean MSN Messenger. As far as I know, there is no support for
SIMPLE in MSN Messenger and there are no plans to switch MSN Messenger
from its proprietary protocol to SIMPLE (but of course what do I know
about MS product plans?).


Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation

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