[JDEV] Does IBM chooses XMPP or SIMPLE?

Steve Kennedy steve-jabber at gbnet.net
Mon May 19 14:57:06 CDT 2003

On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 02:19:20PM -0500, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

> On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 03:01:22PM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote:
> > Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > >The only company in the IM market that has made a true commitment to
> > >SIP/SIMPLE is Microsoft, which has implemented early versions of some
> > >SIMPLE protocols in its beta enterprise IM product, called Greenwich.
> > >There are many limits to how much SIMPLE functionality Greenwich can 
> > >contain for the "simple" reason that the protocol is very incomplete and
> > >was probably even less complete when MS started development. Even now,
> > >SIMPLE does not possess the ability to do chat (only single messages),
> > >groupchat, rosters, etc. Plus I understand that Greenwich also does not
> > >have any kind of server-to-server functionality, so user at company1 can't
> > >communicate with contact at company2 (though supposedly that functionality
> > >is coming in a future release -- heard that before?).
> > >consumer service, and it remains to be seen whether Microsoft's embrace 
> > >of SIMPLE will include "extensions" as well). We certainly can't say 
> > >the same thing about AOL or Yahoo, which is unfortunate. 
> > By "consumer service", do you mean MSN Messenger? So, that MSN Messenger 
> > isn't based on SIMPLE, but just another proprietary protocol? Of course, 
> > even if it would be based on SIMPLE, they still had to provide 
> > extensions, as SIMPLE doesn't support chat sessions.
> Yes, I mean MSN Messenger. As far as I know, there is no support for
> SIMPLE in MSN Messenger and there are no plans to switch MSN Messenger
> from its proprietary protocol to SIMPLE (but of course what do I know
> about MS product plans?).

MSN version 4.7 on XP has a full SIP stack built in. This can be used to
access a communications service, or to access MS Exchange IM.

MSN accessing the public MSN service uses its own protocol (at the
moment anyway).

Their new Grenwich server is the basis for enterprise communications
services including SIP.


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