[JDEV] MS Patents IM 'composing' feature
stpeter at jabber.org
Thu Oct 9 12:35:07 CDT 2003
Actually, jabber:x:events has been in use since 1999 or 2000, but we
didn't get around to making a JEP out of it until early 2002.
Personally I'm not worried about this patent at all.
There are so many IM patents issued every week that I could spend all of
my time reading them and worrying about them. Fortunately I have more
important things to work on.
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 04:54:20PM +0200, Heiner Wolf wrote:
> yes, it seems to apply to composing events, but it is broader.
> The patent has been filed December 20, 2002. With respect to existing
> implementations this is really late, actually quite bold.
> The Jabber spec is JEP-0022: Message Events
> Revision History:
> Version 1.1 (2003-02-11) Attempted to clarify usage and business rules.
> Version 1.1 (2003-01-26) Added more detailed information and clarified a
> few points. (psa)
> Version 1.0 (2002-05-08) Changed status to Active. (psa)
> Version 0.2 (2002-03-13) Minor corrections and additions. (dja)
> Version 0.1 (2002-03-05) Initial draft. (dja)
> Dr. Klaus H. Wolf
> bluehands GmbH & Co.mmunication KG
> +49 (0721) 16108 75
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jdev-admin at jabber.org [mailto:jdev-admin at jabber.org]On Behalf Of
> > Nicholas Doyle
> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:51 AM
> > To: im-patents at jabber.org
> > Cc: jdev at jabber.org
> > Subject: [JDEV] MS Patents IM 'composing' feature
> > Cross posting to JDEV since im-patents doesn't seem very active...
> > I saw this on Slashdot tonight. Microsoft has received a
> > patent for a "System and method for activity monitoring and
> > reporting in a computer network", patent no. 6,631,412.
> > http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/10/08/135237.shtml?tid=109&tid=
> > 155&tid=187&tid=189&tid=99
> > The article mentions Powwow (from Tribal Voice, back in 1996)
> > as maybe having been prior art. The actual patent document
> > actually refutes programs like UNIX talk, because it shows
> > the conversation in 'real-time', and characters appear for
> > each user as they are typed. The MS patent seems to be for a
> > mechanism to notify the user only that the other party is
> > responding (not showing the actual response until it is
> > 'sent'), and these 'user is typing' messages are turned
> > on/off based on a timer. I have not actually read the entire
> > patent myself yet, just the abstract.
> > Here's a link to the patent:
> > http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HIT
> > OFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=pt
> > xt&s1=6,631,412&OS=6,631,412&RS=6,631,412
> > Did Powwow seem to use a timer to turn off the notification
> > (can't remember from when I used it briefly in '96)? Does
> > anything in the Jabber/XMPP spec specify the use of
> > time-intervals for sending the composing/not composing
> > messages? If not, then maybe just clients which actually use
> > timers would be infringing?
> > I tried (briefly) to hack this feature into Gabber 0.8
> > earlier this year, but got sidetracked. I can't remember the
> > specifics of the spec now, through I remember the Jabber docs
> > being somewhat brief about this feature (and other
> > x:events?). Though I remember seeing on Jdev recently there
> > is a new JEP for 'composing' now? I believe this feature is
> > extremely useful in IM programs (hence, trying to add it to
> > Gabber, I know Gabber 2 already has it), almost necessary
> > really, to try and have a proper conversation without
> > constantly cutting each other off. It would be a shame if
> > the IM community, and particularly Jabber/XMPP, lost the use
> > of such functionality because it is now MS's IP.
> > Nick
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