[jdev] Monthly XMPP Meeting

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at stpeter.im
Mon Mar 9 17:34:01 CDT 2009


On 3/9/09 4:15 PM, Dirk Meyer wrote:
> Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> On 3/9/09 2:43 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>>> I think it would be valuable to hold a groupchat once a month as a venue
>>> for community discussion. I'm calling this the "Monthly XMPP Meeting" or
>>> MXM (you can pronounce it like "mix 'em"). I propose that we hold the
>>> first discussion this Thursday, March 12, at 20:00 UTC in the chatroom
>>> at jdev at conference.jabber.org. If there are topics you'd like me to put
>>> on the agenda, please let me know. Otherwise I'll just make it up. :)
>> OK, I came up with a theme for this meeting: "Why I Hate XMPP". :)
>>
>> https://stpeter.im/?p=2528
> 
> Good starting point. I like the first one and have more details to it:
> 
>   If I want to create a client/server, what do I need to implement? Yes,
>   there are XEP-0242 and XEP-0243, but I'm scared of before I scrolled
>   down to that point
> 
>   What do I need to implement VoIP would be answer question.
> 
> But back to the question about what I hate:
> 
> 1. Specs are not always written for developers. It looks code on paper
>    but it does not fit into the state machine of lib/client foo
> 
> 2. Many experimental XEPs are not implemented because nobody wants to be
>    the first. Or "I can not implement it in a client without server
>    support" and "It makes no sense to implement it into a server without
>    a client using it"
> 
> 3. Some XEPs have a scary small scrollbar in my browser. I don't want to
>    read everything (good example is PubSub)

One solution here is to build out a developer-oriented documentation
site. As we discussed in Brussels, Python developers don't read the
PEPs, they read the docs. We have only XEPs because it's a lot of work
to write developer-friendly docs, but we have a start here:

http://xmpp.org/tech/

Let's build that out further at that site or on wiki.xmpp.org.

Well, at least that's one idea, I don't want to stifle discussion of
other possible solutions.

Peter

-- 
Peter Saint-Andre
https://stpeter.im/

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