[jdev] a vision

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at stpeter.im
Fri Mar 13 09:04:03 CDT 2009

On 3/13/09 4:21 AM, Pedro Melo wrote:
> On Mar 12, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> On 3/12/09 11:24 AM, Pedro Melo wrote:
>>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Justin Karneges wrote:
>>>> The big question of all is whether it is the job of jabber.org to
>>>> compete with
>>>> Skype.  Aren't there others in this space already trying to do
>>>> that?  If
>>>> jabber.org is truly competitive, and no longer a self-defeating
>>>> reference
>>>> service, is it still fair to use the "Jabber" name?  Peter, you may
>>>> remember,
>>>> one of the options we discussed was to actually get rid of  
>>>> jabber.org
>>>> entirely. ;-)
>>> I don't think its the role of jabber.org to compete direcly with  
>>> Skype.
>>> But there are certain services that would make the network better
>>> (like a network of sock5 proxys, and all the NAT-busting stuff) that
>>> require some form of central coordination, and that fits perfectly  
>>> for
>>> jabber.org.
>>> As for the IM service, I would keep it running and continue to accept
>>> new users as the "backup route for new jabber users": if they are not
>>> introduced to a more local jabber service then you can always have
>>> Jabber.org.
>> Look, if we don't do it nobody will. Much as I like the folks who work
>> on services like Google Talk and Nimbuzz and SAPO (etc.), they need to
>> justify their services to people at their companies. That means they  
>> try
>> to funnel users to their domains. It's not in their interest to run an
>> open infrastructure for IM / file transfer / voice / video. Whether we
>> call it "Jabber" or "FreeTalk" or something else doesn't matter. (I
>> rather like "FreeTalk", myself.) The point is that we have the  
>> chance to
>> federate with all those other services but also offer something more  
>> open.
> I missed something. I think we are agreeing, right?
> I do agree that the IM service should continue.

Yes, we are in violent agreement. Your message was the one I found most
quickly to reply to Justin. :)


Peter Saint-Andre

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