[jdev] Heml.is and federation..

Matthew Miller linuxwolf at outer-planes.net
Sat Jul 13 12:24:19 UTC 2013

Reading up on the DNA family, and e2e, world be helpful.  Then providing
feedback, including implementation and deployment experience where possible!



- m&m
Hi Peter! :-)

On Jul 13, 2013, at 4:23 AM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im> wrote:

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> Hi Matthew! :-)
> On 7/12/13 5:34 PM, Matthew Wild wrote:
>> On 12 July 2013 22:06, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im>
>> wrote:
>>> Really it's a crime that we don't have ubiquitous s2s and e2e
>>> encryption by now
>> As you may know, we thought very seriously about making the
>> default behaviour for the next release of Prosody to require
>> trusted and valid certificates on all s2s connections. Ultimately
>> we decided against it, for now. But I remain optimistic that we
>> shall do so in a future version (perhaps after making a POSH
>> verification module available).
> Sounds good. I do think we're making progress, although I'm frustrated
> that it's as slow as it is.

+1 even though I do nothing my self, so I can blame my self as well. :-)
How can I actually help out? reading up on POSH and friends?

>>> but I suppose in fairness to us these are hard problems...
>> Name another protocol as widespread as XMPP that has solved them so
>> far...? :)
> True.
>> At least I think we're on the right track, but with things like
>> this I think it takes baby-steps. We have come a long way, many
>> clients and servers require encryption on c2s now which simply
>> wasn't true a few years ago.
> Yes, I am hoping / planning to do that at jabber.org before too much
> more time goes by. But one thing at a time.
>> PS. Anecdotal, but currently on my server:
>> 40 "secure" incoming s2s connections (trusted+valid certificate) 37
>> encrypted with invalid/self-signed certificates 10 not encrypted at
>> all
>> 3 of the unencrypted connections are from the personal servers of
>> prominent members of the XMPP community (you [hopefully] know who
>> you are). A further 2 are domains I'm responsible for (and a
>> server upgrade is already scheduled to fix them), the remaining
>> ones are gmail.com and Google-hosted domains.
> Hmm, those prominent members of the XMPP community need to get their
> act together. ;-)
> In general, one thing that might help is a very clear HOWTO on
> certificate provisioning, installation, and testing. That way, when
> more domains start requiring secure s2s we'll have a friendly manual
> at which we can point operators.

Good idea. Its easy to setup XMPP servers, but certificates etc. are always
pain in the b...

> Also helpful might be an automated service (xmpp.net?) that would give
> you a report about your domain's s2s security status, if you opt in of
> course.

+1 That would be cool!

> Peter
> - --
> Peter Saint-Andre
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