[jdev] TLS Everywhere

Dave Cridland dave at cridland.net
Mon Oct 28 21:24:51 UTC 2013

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im>wrote:

> We were talking about "Jabber" for communication with end users about
> getting an IM account. Most end users (and even people at technical
> conference) still call it Jabber. I see no reason to fight that
> forever. Introduce it as Jabber or "you might know it as Jabber" but
> then talk about XMPP. That's what I usually do.
I find it interesting that according to Google trends, although "xmpp
server" and "jabber server" are roughly equal, "jabber client" is searched
for roughly twice as much as "xmpp client".

So if we're purely aiming at end users wanting IM accounts, then yes,
Jabber seems to be the obvious choice. I think this document essentially
aims at server administrators (who apparently use either equally), but I
suspect that the whole TLS thing would be most useful if it were something
server admins could brag about to their users; that suggests using the
Jabber mark.

> And I really don't want to have this discussion forever.
Nope. But as I said, I think this is going to create a name for a network
of servers providing a specific level of security. In that event, we should
probably check it's the most effective name.

I'm not terribly keen on having to tell users that they should register a
jabber id on the jabber registration server, which'll register them onto an
XMPP server on the XMPP network. Using one name throughout seems more

But I can deal with that - I'm really just flagging that this is the time
to make that choice. Once this "goes out", as it were, it'll be a bit late
to try and rebrand (again).

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