[Operators] Recent Google XMPP Federation problems

Jesse Thompson jesse.thompson at doit.wisc.edu
Tue Feb 26 07:43:13 CST 2008


This has also happened to our domains.  Justin said he was looking into
resolving it.

Jesse


David Horwitz wrote:
> An update on this post some back and forth with the google help team. It
> seems that anyone registering to use Google apps team edition on a
> domain causes google the assume it handles XMPP for that domain - Until
> the admin opts out.
> 
> So it looks like a student or staff member has registered to use google
> apps on our domain. No admin has registered (confirmed by Google) yet
> Google still seems to think it handles XMPP.
> 
> This is not good!
> 
> David
> 
> Arnaud Abélard wrote:
>> Arnaud Abélard wrote:
>>> Actually, i just noticed something bad, bad, bad from google. When
>>> activating Google Apps For Teams Edition, it actives gtalk
>>> automatically for the domain, so i guess the rerouting behavior was
>>> understandable in my case. I just disabled it, and hope we'll see
>>> some change in a few hours/days.
>>
>>
>> Pheww.. that actually did it. Looks like it's fixed now. Google
>> assumes that people subscribing to Apps Teams Edition don't have an
>> xmpp service  already running. That kind of dangerous, especially if
>> activating the domain doesn't give you access to the management pages
>> right away.
>>
>>
>> Google should check by testing the SRV entries if an  XMPP service is
>> already provided by the domain before activating a non federated one
>> causing internal routing problems at google.
>>
>> Arnaud
>>
>>>
>>> On another note, it would be indeed usefull to have a modus operandi
>>> for XMPP Federation related problem reporting with google.
>>>
>>>
>>> Arnaud
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Arnaud Abélard wrote:
>>>>> Justin Uberti wrote:
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fix went into production today. XMPP Federation should be
>>>>>> working normally for all domains.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much for this update Justin. Is it normal that I can
>>>>> not see anything change in the situation yet? Google still seem not
>>>>> to be able to reach our domain.
>>>>>
>>>>> The explanation you gave made me think about the fact we activated
>>>>> google apps team edition on our domain to give it a try but we
>>>>> never meant to enable gtalk for it. Our domain already has its XMPP
>>>>> service running properly with the right SRV entries and all. I
>>>>> didn't think that all our XMPP trafic would be rerouted back to
>>>>> google or is that actually the problem the fix was supposed to,
>>>>> well...fix?
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I the only one not noticing any improvement yet?
>>>>>
>>>>> AA.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --justin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:47 AM, Keith Burgoyne
>>>>>> <keith at silverorange.com <mailto:keith at silverorange.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Thanks for getting back to us Justin. We appreciate your
>>>>>> efforts!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Justin Uberti wrote:
>>>>>>      > Hi,
>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>      > There's been some discussion on this list about recent changes
>>>>>>      > regarding XMPP Federation at Google, and wanted to provide
>>>>>> some
>>>>>>      > information on this issue.
>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>      > The recent launch of Google Apps Team Edition caused a
>>>>>> problem that
>>>>>>      > broke XMPP Federation for some domains. In a nutshell, the
>>>>>> issue was
>>>>>>      > that certain domains were being treated as if they were
>>>>>> hosted at
>>>>>>      > Google, as opposed to being federated with Google. This
>>>>>> prevented
>>>>>>     XMPP
>>>>>>      > packets from being routed properly.
>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>      > A fix has been identified and existing federated domains
>>>>>> should start
>>>>>>      > working again soon. The fix also prevents the problem from
>>>>>> happening
>>>>>>      > in the future with new federated domains. I'll send another
>>>>>> update
>>>>>>      > when the fix is live in production.
>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>      > Thanks,
>>>>>>      > Justin Uberti
>>>>>>      > Tech Lead
>>>>>>      > Google
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 

-- 
  Jesse Thompson
  Email/IM: jesse.thompson at doit.wisc.edu

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