[Operators] Operators Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6

Mon Jun 20 13:05:28 UTC 2011

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Progress on public service list (Kevin Smith)
   2. Re: Progress on public service list (bear)
   3. Re: Progress on public service list (Matthew Wild)
   4. Re: Progress on public service list (bear)
   5. Re: Progress on public service list (Ben Zimmer)
   6. Re: Let's start some witch-hunt (Tomasz Sterna)
   7. Re: Rosters flood (Tomasz Sterna)
   8. Re: Rosters flood (Tomasz Sterna)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:06:27 +0100
From: Kevin Smith <kevin at kismith.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Operators] Progress on public service list
To: XMPP Operators Group <operators at xmpp.org>
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On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Ben Zimmer <ben at einfachjabber.de> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> just wanted to report some progress :)
>
> I managed to reduce the number of completely unprocessed list applicants to 0.
> Only thing to do would be making contact to the domain owners by mail
> and to the jabber-server-admins by xmpp.
>
> For the mail-thing, would it be possible to get this done through an
> official xmpp.org-mail-address? I think that should improve the return
> rate and speed a lot.
> I think the same would apply for the xmpp-contacting.
>
> Let me know if this would be possible, or if I should use my own
> address(es) for this.

We don't really do xmpp.org email addresses, so using your own seems
to be the easier option to me. I don't know what others think.

/K

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:47:19 -0400
From: bear <bear42 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Operators] Progress on public service list
To: XMPP Operators Group <operators at xmpp.org>, kevin at kismith.co.uk
Message-ID: <BANLkTinKUJomFODO+ygfjH6_fyndWQJRuQ at mail.gmail.com>
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We can do a blog post letting folks know you will be contacting them.

Thanks for working on this!
On Jun 19, 2011 8:06 AM, "Kevin Smith" <kevin at kismith.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Ben Zimmer <ben at einfachjabber.de> wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> just wanted to report some progress :)
>>
>> I managed to reduce the number of completely unprocessed list applicants
to 0.
>> Only thing to do would be making contact to the domain owners by mail
>> and to the jabber-server-admins by xmpp.
>>
>> For the mail-thing, would it be possible to get this done through an
>> official xmpp.org-mail-address? I think that should improve the return
>> rate and speed a lot.
>> I think the same would apply for the xmpp-contacting.
>>
>> Let me know if this would be possible, or if I should use my own
>> address(es) for this.
>
> We don't really do xmpp.org email addresses, so using your own seems
> to be the easier option to me. I don't know what others think.
>
> /K
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:18:36 +0100
From: Matthew Wild <mwild1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Operators] Progress on public service list
To: XMPP Operators Group <operators at xmpp.org>
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On 19 June 2011 17:47, bear <bear42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We can do a blog post letting folks know you will be contacting them.

Anyone who submitted a request should already be on this mailing list, no?

Regards,
Matthew

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:27:26 -0400
From: bear <bear42 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Operators] Progress on public service list
To: XMPP Operators Group <operators at xmpp.org>
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On Jun 19, 2011 1:19 PM, "Matthew Wild" <mwild1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 19 June 2011 17:47, bear <bear42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > We can do a blog post letting folks know you will be contacting them.
>
> Anyone who submitted a request should already be on this mailing list, no?

That would be a good thing to confirm, but yes I would think so.

>
> Regards,
> Matthew
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:16:57 +0200
From: Ben Zimmer <ben at einfachjabber.de>
Subject: Re: [Operators] Progress on public service list
To: XMPP Operators Group <operators at xmpp.org>
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Hi,

the blog post idea sounds like a good one.
I think not every requester is on the mailing list, some requests are
over a year old and maybe that waiting period generated some drop-outs
:)

regards,
ben

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 22:27, bear <bear42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Jun 19, 2011 1:19 PM, "Matthew Wild" <mwild1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 19 June 2011 17:47, bear <bear42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > We can do a blog post letting folks know you will be contacting them.
>>
>> Anyone who submitted a request should already be on this mailing list, no?
>
> That would be a good thing to confirm, but yes I would think so.
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matthew
>

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:17:13 +0200
From: Tomasz Sterna <tomek at xiaoka.com>
Subject: Re: [Operators] Let's start some witch-hunt
To: XMPP Operators Group <operators at xmpp.org>
Message-ID: <1308565033.1692.14.camel at smoku-H67M-D2-B3>
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Dnia 2010-06-21, pon o godzinie 14:49 +1200, Daniel Lawson pisze:
> I'm not 100% familiar with US phone numbers, but I'm pretty sure
> (based on some messages I've intercepted) that the first two numbers
> are phone numbers.
> 
> One of the messages we have observed (undelivered messages in
> ejabberd's spool table) had this as the content:
> 
> "if you wanna chat call me on xxx-xxx xxxx"  (where that number
> matches the first number in the body) 

I bet it's one of these "free SMS" applications for Android.
(Using Smack suggests Android)
"Use this app, and you won't have to pay for SMS"

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:41:13 +0200
From: Tomasz Sterna <tomek at xiaoka.com>
Subject: Re: [Operators] Rosters flood
To: XMPP Operators Group <operators at xmpp.org>
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Dnia 2010-09-08, ?ro o godzinie 10:22 -0500, Jesse Thompson pisze:
> Has anyone ever suggested the idea of clients and/or servers 
> implementing features to not deliver, or segregate, messages from
> users 
> that aren't subscribed to each others presences?
> 
> Maybe this is already implemented to some extent? 

Google Talk implements exactly this.

This has a separate issue, that I cannot respond to various queries
without revealing my presence to an unknown person.
I.e. I cannot ask "Who are you and why do you need my presence
information?" to a Google Talk user, because GTalk server drops my
message.

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:47:27 +0200
From: Tomasz Sterna <tomek at xiaoka.com>
Subject: Re: [Operators] Rosters flood
To: XMPP Operators Group <operators at xmpp.org>
Message-ID: <1308566847.1692.20.camel at smoku-H67M-D2-B3>
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Dnia 2010-09-08, ?ro o godzinie 10:22 -0500, Jesse Thompson pisze:
>   1. first identify/stop unrestricted servers
>   2. then identify/stop bad servers
>   3. then identify/stop bad users on good servers
>   4. then identify/stop compromised users on good servers 

+1
We have abuse reporting XEPs.

Let's ban misbehaving users.
If a server admin is unable to handle misbehaving users, let's ban the
server.

On the contrary to SMTP, not every IP can be an XMPP server, so IP
blacklists are effective.

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