[Operators] Finally *fix* the list-issue

Friedrich Kron fritz_kron at yahoo.de
Mon Jan 16 17:58:01 UTC 2012

Hello Peter,

i think a private webpage does not solve the maintenance problem for the xmpp.org jabber server list. 

mit freundlichen Grüßen / best regards,

Friedrich Kron
edv dienstschiene
Mail: friedrich.kron at jaim.at

On 16.01.2012, at 18:39, Peter Viskup wrote:

> Hi Friedrich,
> look - we are waiting for our server to be listed on xmpp.org since August of 2009. So this is step forward for us - doesn't matter what is the history of jabber.at domain.
> BR,
> --
> Peter
> On 01/16/2012 06:32 PM, Friedrich Kron wrote:
>> Hello Jabber Server Admins,
>> I am realy sorry but i can't see any benefit from adding public jabber servers to a private webpage at jabber.at. Hopefully the jabber.at domain will not change the owner and shut down services without warning again (like some years ago). All in all it is not really a nifty cool new public Jabber Server List… 
>> mit freundlichen Grüßen / kind regards
>> Friedrich Kron
>> edv dienstschiene
>> Mail: friedrich.kron at jaim.at
>> On 16.01.2012, at 15:25, Mathias Ertl wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> After years of waiting, delays, ignored offers for help and broken
>>> promises, I've finally decided to take this situation into my own hands.
>>> Yes, I've written our own tool for maintaining a list:
>>>  https://list.jabber.at
>>> It does (almost) everything automatically, admins only have to enter
>>> their data and get feedback on what (if anything) is not right with
>>> their servers. JIDs and E-Mail addresses are automatically verified. A
>>> simple API that can be used by clients is available.
>>> The current list at xmpp.org is in a very bad status:
>>> * Only 63 servers are on that list.
>>> * None have been added for years, all requests have been ignored.
>>> * Its even impossible to *remove* a server.
>>> * 6 don't even have SRV records defined.
>>> * 4 have some problem with the SSL certificate via TLS netotiation.
>>> * At least 2 servers don't even allow inband-registration anymore, the
>>> number is probably much higher.
>>> * ~10 linked-to pages do not work at all
>>> * ~15 pages link to a generic page that does not give any info about the
>>> respective service.
>>> I therefor urge the XSF to finally ditch their own horrible list and
>>> just link to others (i.e. [1] and ours) instead. The fact that the list
>>> is unmaintained and many servers do not even work anymore creates a very
>>> bad experience for all users. The fact that the illusion of maintenance
>>> is kept up frustrates many server-admins.
>>> Please finally resolve the situation in a realistic way.
>>> greetings, Mati
>>> [1] http://www.jabberes.org/servers/
>>> -- 
>>> twitter: @mathiasertl | soup: http://soup.er.tl | xing: Mathias Ertl
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