[Operators] The Google issue

Aryo Sandiyudo asandiyudo at mayplaces.com
Fri Nov 22 16:19:31 UTC 2013

About the "G" string issue I would not have much to comment.

But folks I have an idea.. I think we should have a slogan related to the implementation of the TLS everywhere manifesto, as it is owned by Green Latern corps, it will sounds something like:

"We're people behind the XMPP networks. We're the best team in the universe. If we believe in each other, if we trust in each other, if we conquer non SSL/TLS connection(C2S or S2S)... we're unstoppable (always on). Together, we can turn all this around."

that just an idea..

On Nov 22, 2013, Jesse Thompson <jesse.thompson at doit.wisc.edu> wrote:

>On 11/22/2013 3:13 AM, Philipp Hancke wrote:
>>> Same here, we can't cut off paying customers.
>> How many of them are complaining that their counterparts are not
>> responding anymore (because they use hangouts which don't display or
>> messages from federated contacts)?
>These users aren't complaining much because Google already offers a 
>workaround: everyone use Hangouts.
>Google is encouraging user lock-in to the Hangouts silo; they want the 
>user mind share.  Essentially, this is a form of Google "raising
>for their otherwise free services.
>So, there is a better way (supported/encouraged by Google) to allow
>users to chat with legacy Talk users:
>Give Google what they are asking for.
>Here are your alternatives:
>1) Tell users to get a gmail.com Hangouts account, or purchase Google 
>Apps for your customers who want to pay for Google Hangouts services
>    * Your users can chat with all Google users both on Talk and 
>Hangouts.  (My assumption is that people on Google Hangouts can still 
>chat with people who have not yet converted from Talk to Hangouts.)
> * You can continue to offer and innovate your federated XMPP services.
>2) Leave things as they are now.
>    * Your federated XMPP users can currently talk to 50%? (and 
>shrinking) of those Google users who have not switched from Talk, and 
>your users can not talk to %50? (and growing) of those Google users who
>have switched to Hangouts.
>    * Google is a roadblock to innovating your XMPP services.

Sent from my Android tablet.
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