[Operators] The Google issue

Matthew Wild mwild1 at gmail.com
Sat Nov 23 17:37:50 UTC 2013

On 22 November 2013 15:31, Solomon Peachy <pizza at shaftnet.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 09:50:43AM +0000, Dave Cridland wrote:
>> However, I stress - the point, to me, of the 4th January test is not to cut
>> connections to Google, or send some Message, or anything else along those
>> lines.
> Oh, I completely agree.
>> The point is to see what happens, accepting there will be some disruption,
>> and accepting that we may have to re-examine what we think is achievable
>> here.
> Strong end-to-end encryption is the ideal situation, and we need to make
> sure there are no technical impediments to achieving this.  Therefore, I
> will gladly participate on this (and future) interop/test days.

The problem with this "ideal" is that it still leaks metadata. Also
presence is never likely to be encrypted end-to-end. You get the idea.

While there are certainly protocols that could allow you to not trust
your server and your contact's server, they come with their own
different limitations that I don't think make it feasible for XMPP to
ever go in that direction.

For this reason I think that, as much as end-to-end encryption is
desirable, we do need to trust our servers to some extent and that
servers should respect that trust and encrypt their links.


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