[Standards] Stalled Pull Requests waiting on XEP authors

Sam Whited sam at samwhited.com
Sun Mar 13 23:58:40 UTC 2016

For the record, I was not advocating <my-favorite-tool> over
<your-favorite-tool>, or even that we change any existing tooling,
which I don't think would od any good.

Changing tooling will not solve the problem, and probably won't help
much at all. They all do broadly the same things. I was advocating a
system to track issues through the pipeline, which as far as I can
tell isn't something that we have any tooling around at all right now.

Please let's not derail this conversation with what tools we all think
are better. I certainly have my opinions (as I'm sure I've expressed
before), but that's not what this thread was about.


On 3/13/16, Florian Schmaus <flo at geekplace.eu> wrote:
> On 13.03.2016 18:08, Sam Whited wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Florian Schmaus <flo at geekplace.eu>
>> wrote:
>>> It has been 6 months since the GitHub Pull Requests #97, #84, #82, and
>>> #41 have been issued on XSF's 'xeps' repo.
>>>>>> There are so many great people who work for free in their spare time on
>>> XMPP and believe in the idea of XMPP. It can only work if we work
>>> together.
>> Does that mean you volunteer as official issue tracker? :)
>> On a serious note, this is something tooling can help with.
> Theoretically we have already tooling in place. I believe the XSF's
> infrastructure and they deployed "processes" have serious issues which
> prevent people from participating, causing such issues.
> If it where me, I would say the XSF should go with gitlab, discourse and
> eventually an open source ticket system and jenkins. Gitlab and
> discourse can be easily self hosted or are free for non-profit
> organizations. But I'm already hearing people say that no one will
> maintain it. I would volunteer, and I guess other would too, but only if
> this means that it would be used and our effort would not be a waste of
> time.
> I also predict voices which will say that the tools won't solve the
> issue. Let me tell you how it was at Ignite Realtime: Back in 2012 I
> suggested to move from SVN to git, saying it will likely cause an
> increase in contributions. Everybody of the elders was against it (ask
> Guus). In 2014 I've switched the Ignite Realtime source repos to git,
> and we now have more contributors: The tools, and especially how you use
> them makes a difference.
> An example in the case of the XSF: I say we should get rid of mailman
> and switch to discourse. I'm sick of searching forever for the valuable
> information which is hold in the mailing lists archives. Discourse does
> provide the same features of mailman, i.e. one can use it exactly like a
> mailing list, but also provides a modern web interface which is very
> usable on mobile devices. Discourse also provides a good search
> interface and a sane view, i.e. does not combine the threads by
> year/month per default. Plus there a dozen other nice things.
> - Florian

Sam Whited
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