[Standards] Council Minutes 2019-07-10

Dave Cridland dave at cridland.net
Thu Jul 18 08:54:18 UTC 2019

Sorry about that one - my DSL at home dropped, leaving me serverless, and
it seems my emergency jabber.org account has 197 subscription requests
since I last used it, which makes it a little hard to actually use...

On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 14:58, Tedd Sterr <teddsterr at outlook.com> wrote:

> http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2019-07-10?p=h#2019-07-10-853eb083fe2465d9
> An expectant silence falls as everyone waits for the nod from the
> venerable Chair.
> Georg gets impatient and appropriates the revered chair, assuming his
> alter-ego, Fake-Dave.
> *1) Roll Call*
> Present: Georg, Link, Jonas, Dave
> Apologies: Kev
> *2) Agenda Bashing*
> Fake-Dave asks whether there is anything further to add to the agenda - it
> appears not.
> *3a) PR #797 - XEP-0128: Remove 'unlikely' statement* -
> https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/797
> Jonas: +1
> Georg: +1 (looks straight-forward; pretty sure it's not a breaking change)
> Link: +1
> Dave: [pending]
> Kev: [pending]

> *3b) PR #796 - XEP-0368: clarify what happens when a `.` target is
> published* - https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/796
> Jonas: +1
> Link: +1 (definitely!)
> Georg: +1 (this is just a clarification of RFC 2782)
> Dave: [pending]
> Kev: [pending]

> *4) Outstanding Votes*
> Fake-Dave notes the two voting items which expire today, with missing
> input from Kev and Link.
> Link has yet to review the document for his remaining vote.
> Real-Dave makes an appearance, grumbling about useless DSL service.
> *5) Next Meeting*
> 2019-07-17 1500 UTC
> *6) AOB*
> Jonas still doesn't know what to do about Jingle things - without the
> insight that comes from implementing it, it's difficult to judge whether a
> change to Jingle (and other large, complex sub-protocols) is sensible; so
> it's difficult to feel confident voting on such things. Others have
> mentioned that "Jingle veterans" would be qualified to give reviews, and
> this seems like a sane way forward, though it would be better if Council
> actually had the technical understanding for everything, but that's
> unrealistic with so many XEPs.
> Georg thinks that Council should formally request independent reviews from
> a small number of people not already involved in the PR.
> Dave's view is that while Council has the final say, how that decision is
> reached is up to Council members, and that may involve deferring to
> external expertise or something else; but is in favour of getting
> independent reviews. Georg would like to prevent the situation where all
> Council members privately ask for feedback from the same source and each
> base their (supposedly independent) decisions on that.
> Jonas would like to ask on the mailing list for specific +1/-1 feedback on
> the PRs from Jingle veterans - Georg is fine with this, but wonders how to
> define who qualifies as a veteran - Jonas suggests author/implementer
> during CFE. Dave suggests discussing who to ask for reviews when things
> come up for voting; Georg recommends deferring on such a vote, and defining
> a list of people to consult - Dave has usually found that one decent review
> is enough to spark a discussion which illuminates the issues.
> Georg wonders if this should be done for PR #793 - Jonas thinks so. Georg
> asks Peter if he feels confident in estimating the implications of PR #793
> and able to review it in two weeks time - Peter commits to it. Georg
> doesn't see a clear indication from Fippo's email - should ask for
> clarification. Georg also asks Link to review the PR and make a public
> statement on the mailing list thread - Link agrees to do so.
> Peter adds Lance as another Jingle veteran who could possibly review PRs.
> *7) Close*
> Fake-Dave thanks everyone; everyone thanks Fake-Dave. Real-Dave thanks
> Fake-Dave for stepping up.
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