Version 1.26.0 of XEP-0001 (XMPP Extension Protocols) has been
released.
Abstract:
This document defines the standards process followed by the XMPP
Standards Foundation.
Changelog:
* Surface (and correct) the source control information.
* Surface the publication URL (although I assume anyone reading this
has figured that one out by now).
* Surface the contributor side of things.
* Add bit about XEP authors making PRs if they don't exist - this is
"new" rather than documenting existing practice.
* Add bit about PRs getting XEP author approval (existing practice
hithertofore undocumented).
* Add bit about Council (etc) adding authors if they drop off
(existing practice hithertofore undocumented).
* Add note to clarify that Retraction doesn't mean Deletion (existing
practice, documented, but has been misunderstood before). (dwd)
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Hi,
Following what I've said yesterday at the summit, I would like to explain more
my idea, and get your feedback.
So basically the problem with presence in large MUC is that we get 2 things:
- initial presence when we join the room
- all the presence update when people join and leave, which is quite often
with people on mobiles.
So my point was that we are seeing MUC by the way it's used today. But we
don't have to.
We don't have to be actively in the room. What we want when we are in a large
room, is to be able to check it when we want, and be notified when we are
mentioned.
For smaller rooms, we may want to be notified on each new message.
The way I see it, we could have 2 ways to join a MUC: active and passive.
The active join would be what we do today, we get all the presence, and
updates, it's really bandwidth intensive.
The passive join, on the other hand, would only say "we are in the room". The
MUC service would then notify the client only in case of mention (or for any
message in case of "subscribed" room).
Benefit:
- we don't have presence spam anymore, the client does an active join only
when the user want to actually be in the room. So it's only one room at the
time.
- client doesn't have to actively parse message to look for mention, on mobile
it will get a push notification and wake up only when necessary
- It should be easy to implement on top on existing MUC implementation
- It's backward compatible: non-compatible client will just to "active" join
all the time, and get all the presence spam.
Probably we can also optimize the initial presence in case of active join, but
that's another topic.
I think that solves the presence issue. Let me know what you think about it.
Best,
Goffi
Dear Board members,
This email announces the agenda for our next Board meeting, scheduled for
Thursday, 5 February 2026, from 17:00 to 17:30 UTC. The meeting will take
place in the XSF chatroom at xmpp:xsf@muc.xmpp.org?join.
Brief context is included for each agenda item to support preparation.
*1. Welcome*Opening of the meeting.
*2. Formalize Agenda*Confirm and approve the agenda for this meeting.
*3. Review and vote on proposed changes to XEP-0001 and XEP-0143*The Board
will review and vote on proposed changes to XEP-0001, which require Board
approval.
The Council has already approved the proposed changes to XEP-0143. This
item is included to ensure process clarity and to determine whether the
Board wishes to formally note or endorse those changes as well.
*4. Summit and FOSDEM report and follow ups*A brief review of the recent
Summit and our presence at FOSDEM. The purpose is to identify any concrete
outcomes, learnings, or potential follow-up topics that may require future
Board or membership attention. No decisions are expected under this item.
*5. Increase Board meeting frequency*Discussion of a proposal to increase
the frequency of Board meetings, with the aim of improving engagement,
continuity, and overall productivity.
*6. Any Other Business*Items not listed above that require brief attention.
*7. Date of Next Meeting*Agreement on the date of the next Board meeting.
*8. Close*Closing of the meeting.
Please review the relevant materials ahead of the meeting so that we can
use our time efficiently.
Kind regards,
Guus
Greetings.
I advise to moderate people who have never posted to this mailing-list.
It is bad enough that there is only a single official mailing-list; and
Having issues with that single one will even worse.
Please advise.
Kindly,
Schimon
Hi,
I saw a talk by Sophia Longwe, who I believe works at Wikimedia
Germany, at 39C3 (Chaos Communication Congress). I saw the talk in
person, but there is a recording of it here:
https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-who-runs-the-www-wsis20-and-the-future-of-inter…
The talk is a rudimentary overview of how the different bodies that
"steer" the internet work t ranging from UN committees and ICANN down
to mere mortals such as us. The XMPP Standards Foundation (XSF) was
not called out specifically, but our colleagues at the IETF and W3C
were mentioned.
In her talk, she criticized the lack of participation from "civil
society" in standardization work. She attributed this partially to
high barriers to entry at IETF events (high costs, fancy hotels) and
said (I’m paraphrasing) that it’s basically just rich FAANG employees.
Some of that doesn’t exactly match my own experience at the IETF, but
I don’t think any of what she said was in bad faith. I hope to meet
her in Vienna (IETF126) to discuss some of these things in person. And
who knows, maybe she is right.
Anyway, long story short, this got me thinking about our processes
here at the XSF (which, again, she didn’t mention at all):
I think the XMPP Standards Foundation is in a unique position where
many of our members can be described as "civil society" - people who
might describe themselves as activists or promoters of XMPP rather
than developers. (And/or people who do software development for a
living, but whose jobs are unrelated to XMPP and who joined the XSF
more in the capacity of a user.)
At the same time, I’m observing that a lot of our Last Calls (and
standards work in general) have few participants, at least relative to
our overall membership numbers. Furthermore, I've heard criticism that
the XSF doesn’t take the concerns of some minority groups seriously
enough. (Which may or may not be true; I don’t want to take sides on
that at this point.)
This leads me to a question: Can we kill two or three birds with one
stone here? Can we either rephrase some of the questions in the Last
Call or add new ones that explicitly invite feedback from "civil
society" (for lack of a better word)?
I just want to get the discussion started, so I don’t have a final
list, but the questions could go in a direction like this:
* Would you use this feature if it were implemented in the XMPP client
you currently use?
* Do you think an implementation of this feature could negatively
impact your community?
* Does this improve (make easier) the work you do in your community?
Cheers,
Daniel
Version 1.1.0 of XEP-0386 (Bind 2) has been released.
Abstract:
This specification provides a single-request replacement for several
activities an XMPP client needs to do at startup.
Changelog:
It's authorization-identifier not authorization-identity (dg)
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0386.html
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Greetings to one and all.
I would want to apologise for posting to this mailing-list, as
mailing-lists "general" and "jdev" are closed.
I am interested in discussing automated spam, and automated counter
measures against that issue.
I have created a moderation service (i.e. "bot") software to handle this
concern.
The interface of that software is of XMPP client, so anyone can operate
it from anywhere.
I would be glad to be honored by your kind participation.
https://git.xmpp-it.net/sch/KaikOut
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,
Schimon
I have setup the XSF membership application Wiki page for the
application period Q1-2026
Applications are encouraged from developers and others who are actively
involved in the Jabber/XMPP community.
To apply, create a page about yourself on the Wiki:
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q1_2026
If you don't have a wiki account, send your full name, preferred
nickname and email address to me or one of the other Sysops:
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Sysops
When you need help with your application then don't hesitate to contact
me directly
Apply now!!!
Thanks,
Alex
