Good morning Council Members,
the next XMPP Council Meeting will take place on, Tuesday, March 19
2024 at 16:00 UTC in xmpp:council@muc.xmpp.org?join
The Agenda is as follows:
1) Roll call
2) Agenda Bashing
3) Editors update
* LAST CALL: XEP-0388 (Extensible SASL Profile)
* LAST CALL: XEP-0386 (Bind 2)
4) Items for voting
a) Issue Last Call on XEP-0333: Displayed Markers (was: Chat Markers)
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0333.html
5) Pending votes
* Dan on Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Displayed Synchronization
See the spreadsheet of Doom:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H310M8z6Kdo6XyNf2DwafzrSLuwhaLNvzfa…
6) Date of Next
7) AOB
8) Close
Hey list,
I am attaching the update on the issues discussed in the thread.
kind regards,
Abdurrahman
Jonas Schäfer <jonas(a)wielicki.name>, 15 Kas 2023 Çar, 19:25 tarihinde şunu
yazdı:
> Hi list, hi Abdurrahman,
>
> On Montag, 30. Oktober 2023 17:15:52 CET kevin.smith(a)isode.com wrote:
> > The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP.
> >
> > Title: Communicate & Ask to AI
> > Abstract:
> > This document defines a protocol for asking questions to an artificial
> > intelligence or requesting it to make predictions.
> >
> > URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-ai.html
>
> Thank you for your submission, Abdurrahman.
>
> We discussed this in the Council and I want to share a few suggestions for
> improvement with you.
>
> The mandatory <ai> element, as Nicolas already pointed out, seems like an
> odd
> requirement: there are already LLM-based entities out there which would
> immediately be non-compliant. In adddition, the model selection is
> underspecified: How would I know which models are even available at that
> particular agent?
>
> I think it would be better to:
> - Specify a new XEP-0030 identity based on the already existing
> bot-identity
> which identifies an account as a bot.
>
> This builds on already existing mechanisms, which is always good.
>
> - Define a XEP-0030 feature or XEP-0128 service discovery extension which
> describes the model used by the "AI" account
>
> This allows clients/users to discover information about the specific
> type
> of model used, which is useful.
>
> - Then use separate accounts for different models.
>
> This is probably debatable; if there is a compelling usecase for
> hosting
> multiple models on the same account, the model selection could be made
> part of
> the XEP-0004 form you already suggest in the document. The available
> models
> could be made part of a XEP-0128 extension, so that clients can basically
> just
> copy the form over and select a model.
>
> Other than that, I think this is an acceptable submission. The idea of
> passing
> along parameters using an embedded form to the model is novel and a good
> one
> in my opinion.
>
> kind regards,
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Version 1.1.1 of XEP-0313 (Message Archive Management) has been
released.
Abstract:
This document defines a protocol to query and control an archive of
messages stored on a server.
Changelog:
Add XEP-0136 to superseded specifications (gdk)
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html
Note: The information in the XEP list at https://xmpp.org/extensions/
is updated by a separate automated process and may be stale at the
time this email is sent. The XEP documents linked herein are up-to-
date.
Dear community,
it's been a while I spoke up here.
I would like to discuss the removal of the following part-sentence from
XEP-0030 (in Final status!):
> every entity MUST support at least the
> 'http://jabber.org/protocol/disco#info' feature
Announcing that feature is redundant: An entity which replies with a properly
constructed `<query xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/disco#info"/>` element
is bound to (and has always been bound to) have implemented XEP-0030 to the
best of its knowledge.
As this is a Final(!) status XEP, here is my estimate of the impact this
change has:
- Implementations which required the presence of this feature on the
receiving side would now become non-compliant: They might assume
that the remote entity did not really support XEP-0030 and fail with
an error.
Such implementations would need to be adapted in order to be able to
interoperate with implementations which follow a revised version of
XEP-0030.
I don't see any other impact. I also strongly suspect that the set of
implementations which follow XEP-0030 to the letter is rather slim (I only
know of a single one, which would be the Rust XMPP library xmpp-rs [1]).
The reason why this came up: There have in the past been cases ([2] and
another, not-yet-filed issue against Prosody IM where the disco#info feature
is missing from MUCs) where implementations didn't emit this feature. The
seeming pointlessness and lack of information conveyed by this feature var
make it easy to overlook and low-priority to fix. The fact that this has gone
undiscovered for at least one Prosody IM release cycle further supports the
assumption that the number of implementations which rely on that part of the
spec is rather small.
Your input is welcome.
kind regards,
Jonas Schäfer
(these days without "special" role in the standards process)
[1]: And there exists at least one fork which removed that check:
https://gitlab.com/nesium/xmpp-rs/-/commit/1ddb050
[2]: https://issues.prosody.im/1664
Hi,
It’s the editor with a manual update here. Our tooling couldn’t
process PRPOSED->EXPERIMENTAL and an update in the same step.¹
XEP-0425 was updated. Here is the change log.
* Remove the dependency on XEP-0422 Message Fastening
* Rename to 'Moderated Message Retraction' and focus only on the
retraction use-case
* Ensure compatibility with clients that only implement XEP-0424
* Clarify the purpose of the <reason/> element
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html
P.S.: 0424 was moved back to Experimental too.
¹: I’m aware of this now and will simply avoid this in the future
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP.
Title: Message Displayed Synchronization
Abstract:
This specification allows multiple clients of the same user to
synchronize the displayed state of their chats.
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-mds.html
The Council will decide in the next two weeks whether to accept this
proposal as an official XEP.
Good morning Council Members,
the next XMPP Council Meeting will take place on, Tuesday, March 12
2024 at 16:00 UTC in xmpp:council@muc.xmpp.org?join
The Agenda is as follows:
1) Roll call
2) Agenda Bashing
3) Editors update
* Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Displayed Synchronization
* LAST CALL: XEP-0392 (Consistent Color Generation)
* LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))
and a bunch more updates. check your email
4) Items for voting
a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Displayed Synchronization
(https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-mds.html)
5) Pending votes
* Travis on XEP-0313: Add XEP-0136 to superseded specifications
See the all new spreadsheet of Doom:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H310M8z6Kdo6XyNf2DwafzrSLuwhaLNvzfa…
6) Date of Next
7) AOB
8) Close
Version 1.25.0 of XEP-0001 (XMPP Extension Protocols) has been
released.
Abstract:
This document defines the standards process followed by the XMPP
Standards Foundation.
Changelog:
Add note that editorial changes do not affect Deferred state (XEP
Editor: dg)
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0001.html
Note: The information in the XEP list at https://xmpp.org/extensions/
is updated by a separate automated process and may be stale at the
time this email is sent. The XEP documents linked herein are up-to-
date.
Version 0.1.0 of XEP-0489 (Reporting Account Affiliations) has been
released.
Abstract:
This specification documents a way for an XMPP server to report to
other entities the relationship it has with a user on its domain.
Changelog:
* Promoted to Experimental (XEP Editor: dg)
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0489.html
Note: The information in the XEP list at https://xmpp.org/extensions/
is updated by a separate automated process and may be stale at the
time this email is sent. The XEP documents linked herein are up-to-
date.
Version 0.1.0 of XEP-0488 (MUC Token Invite) has been released.
Abstract:
This specification provides a way to generate tokens to invite users
to a MUC room.
Changelog:
* Promoted to Experimental (XEP Editor: dg)
URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0488.html
Note: The information in the XEP list at https://xmpp.org/extensions/
is updated by a separate automated process and may be stale at the
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