Hello everybody,
I would like to bring a discussion on AI policy. We can't really ignore
anymore that modern models have become very capable, and I suspect that they
are used for spec authoring.
This raises, I believe, copyright issues: if someone use AI to redact a whole
section of a spec, how can we be sure that it's not an existing specs for some
other place, possibly under copyright, that is copied or paraphrased? How can
an author guarantee that it's original work (hint: they can't)?
I think that there are 3 distinct uses:
1. As a light formatting/checking help, for instance to generate a table from
a human written section, to correct the formulation of a sentence, or to draft
an example. This is notably useful for non native English speakers.
2. As a help to search existing state of art on some feature, or any kind of
data, without writing anything in a protoXEP.
3. As a way to generate whole sections.
Instinctively, and If we put aside ethical and ecological concerns about LLMs,
I think that 1. and 2. are OK, and 3. should be forbidden. And in all cases,
it should be disclosed.
I would like your feedback on this matter, in particular people with legal
knowledge.
I would like to avoid a flamewar, I know that this topic is sensitive and there
opinions are highly divided, please express your opinion calmly. The fact is,
we can't ignore this anymore.
Should this be discussed with board or council?
Thanks.
Best,
Goffi
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Hello,
The Council talked about moving a couple of stable XEPs which have not been modified for years to "Final".
As this process has not been done for a long time, we want to first try with XEP-0066 (Out of Band Data).
Peter, would you be fine with moving this specification to "Final"?
Please not that dwd suggested to get rid of section 6 first (XEP-0095 being deprecated).
If Peter is fine with getting rid of the section and moving forward, we can emit a last call.
Thanks.
Goffi
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Version 0.1.0 of XEP-0516 (XMPP Decentralized ID (XID)) has been
released.
Abstract:
XMPP Decentralized ID (XID) is a DNS independent XMPP entity
identifier. This specification describes how to generate, use, and
handle them.
Changelog:
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Hello,
I have updated the Jingle User Location ProtoXEP with clearer wording
after the Council discussion.
The updated draft is here:
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1550
The main clarification is that this proposal does not replace XEP-0080.
XEP-0080 remains the location payload. The problem this proposal tries
to solve is the call/session binding:
XEP-0080 tells where the user is, but it does not reliably tell for
which active Jingle call that location was shared.
PEP/PubSub is useful for general user-location publication, but for an
active call it does not clearly answer:
- which Jingle session / sid the location belongs to;
- whether the location was explicitly shared for this call;
- whether it is fresh, stale, one-time, or live;
- when call-scoped location sharing stops;
- whether a relay, accessibility assistant or future emergency gateway
may treat it as the location for the active call.
The revised direction is therefore narrower:
A small Jingle binding for XEP-0080 during an active call.
It reuses the existing XEP-0080 geoloc payload and adds Jingle session
context, stop-sharing/expiry wording, fallback wording and privacy
wording. It also explicitly avoids claiming to be an emergency-service
protocol by itself.
The reason I think this matters is accessibility and 112/911-readiness.
A deaf or speech-impaired user may be in a Total Conversation call with
audio, video, RTT, captions, relay/interpreter services or a future
emergency gateway. In that situation the peer or gateway should not have
to guess whether the latest XEP-0080/PEP item belongs to the current call.
Feedback is welcome, especially on whether this narrower “Jingle binding
for XEP-0080” direction is the right shape.
Kind regards,
Edward
|Thank you for the feedback. Could you please clarify the main objection
to the Jingle User Location proposal? I would like to understand what
should be changed before revising it. Is the objection about the use of
Jingle, the relation to XEP-0080, privacy/consent, emergency-use
wording, scope, or something else? I do not want to assume the reason.
If you can point to the specific part that is problematic, I can make
the next revision more focused.|
greetings,
Edward Tie .
Version 0.1.0 of XEP-0517 (Jingle Synchronized Real-Time Text) has
been released.
Abstract:
This specification defines a Jingle application extension for
negotiating real-time text as part of the same conversational session
as audio and video.
Changelog:
Accepted as Experimental by council vote (XEP Editor (dg))
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Good Morning Council Members,
the next XMPP Council Meeting will take place on, Tuesday, June 30
2026 at 15:30 UTC in xmpp:council@muc.xmpp.org?join
The Agenda is as follows:
1) Roll call
2) Agenda Bashing
3) Editors update
• UPDATED: XEP-0420 (Stanza Content Encryption
• UPDATED: XEP-0514 (Emoji Markup)
• NEW: XEP-0515 (TLS Channel-Binding Downgrade Protection)
4) Items for voting
a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Payment Required
https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/payment-required.html
5) Pending votes
none
See the spreadsheet of doom:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14gy_nhuTnqlktakJfLZ2Mc-jblSaG0na0Kh…
6) Date of Next
7) AOB
8) Close
Version 0.1.0 of XEP-0515 (TLS Channel-Binding Downgrade Protection)
has been released.
Abstract:
This specification provides a way to secure the SASL and SASL2 SCRAM
handshakes against channel-binding downgrades through TLS version
downgrades.
Changelog:
Accepted as Experimental by council vote (XEP Editor (dg))
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