31 Mar
2026
31 Mar
'26
5:44 a.m.
On 17 Mar 2026, at 15:23, Marvin W. via Standards
<standards(a)xmpp.org> wrote:
On Tue, 2026-03-17 at 10:01 -0500, Stephen Paul Weber wrote:
A variation of this also happens a lot on Discord where you have the split notions of
mentioning a person with ping and mentioning a person without ping.
You mention people without any indication in the
body that you
mentioned
them in Slack?? How?
The other way round. I mention "@B" in a message to user A or a channel
where B is not a member, and it will be a mention in markup without a
notification of A. And with things like "@here" you are also notifying
a lot of users without mentioning them in the traditional sense. (The
@here also doesn't become clickable whereas a @B actually will be a
link to the profile of B).
Right. Which is what the existing refrences XEP would already allow
(with the small, previously-discussed edit to not restrict the URI on
mentions to URIs of bare JIDs)
Except for all the other issues it has, like unclear interplay with
XEP-0393/0394, lack of support for multi language messages, ... It also
has the major downside of specifying a bunch of other things than
mentions that are unfinished (have literal TODOs) and don't have any
implementation experience and likely never will - meaning it can't be
reasonably advanced to stable. The only way I see XEP-0372 advance is
if everything except mention is removed - in which case we have to ask
the question why it would still be called "references", if the only
thing it does is "mentions”.