13 Jan
2025
13 Jan
'25
3:33 a.m.
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 17:51, Jonas Schäfer <jonas(a)wielicki.name> wrote:
Dumb as in the tags are simply "there", and therefore only of use to an
external search engine, really.
So things you can't do are filter by tag on a disco#items search, say, or
assign some internal meaning to specific tags for state management or
workflow or something.
Put another way, I'm not sure this gives anything to build upon - it's
just
Yeah, sorry, I didn't reply to this. Well, better (5 years) late than never!
Put the tagging in a different specification, and either make a registry
for the tag names, or make the tags URIs (or namespaced by URIs) so they
can be more safely permissionless. Pubsub nodes could probably be taggable
too, via possibly the same mechanism.
Once you've done this, then adding search-by-tag seems possible (and even
sensible), and we can add additional semantics to particular tags safely.
The most obvious thing to do would be to add a XEP-0128 form which just
holds tags, make the tags URIs, and make a URI prefix that means "these are
plaintext human-readable tags" - but you could of course do the tag prefix
URI within the field name instead.
Dave.
On Mittwoch, 21. August 2019 01:06:07 CEST Dave
Cridland wrote:
Note that I didn't say "adding more stuff to MUC". Fine with adding more
stuff to MUC, but XEP-0045 ought to be Final by now, and adding yet more
functionality to XEP-0045 isn't going to help that. I'm not sure this
change really satisfies the spirit of Stable either.
On top of that, re-reading the proposal, yes - it's just too simplistic. So
even if we did put it in XEP-0045 (or rather, ram it on the side with some
glue, string, and sticky-backed plastic for speed) I think it'd eventually
end up with more development and that would again affect the status of
XEP-0045.
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 16:58, Jonas Schäfer
<jonas(a)wielicki.name> wrote:
> On Dienstag, 20. August 2019 10:34:22 CEST Dave Cridland wrote:
> > > *PR #808 - XEP-0045: Add Tags configuration and metadata* -
> > > https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/808
> > > Dave: [pending]
> > > Georg: [on-list]
> > > Jonas: +1
> > > Kev: [pending]
> > > Link: [on-list]
> >
> > I think I'm -1 on this. I don't think that having tags is a bad
idea, in
> > > and of itself, but I'm concerned with adding more stuff to XEP-0045.
> > > In general, I think that tagging in this
"dumb" way is probably never
going
to be enough, and a more considered approach
might be better.
For what it's worth, I'm open to having my mind changed on this.
As someone in favour of this, what do you consider "dumb" about this? a field of strings, and there's no indication
of semantics or intended
use
here. I can implement it easily enough from the
spec, but I have no idea
how to use it beyond "put some strings here".
Quite a lot of '45 is like this already, and I'd rather not make things
worse.
Fair enough. Do you have a proposal with which we could provide a similar
UX
to users?
kind regards,
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