[Standards] Re: Reinstating XHTML-IM (XEP-0071)

Am I the only one seeing the irony that the two XEPs of which one you phrase as "new", have been accepted in the very same Council meeting in 2017? Also XEP-0394 is not aiming for "rich text" in the same way that XHTML- IM provides it, especially it doesn't provide means for text coloring or font family - it's meant for semantic markup. Now specifically about XHTML, it's important to note that XHTML 1.0/1.1 were retired at its standardization body (W3C) in 2018. [1] The XML- serialization of HTML5 is not recommended (see big warning on [2]). New rendering engines like Servo do not support XHTML. In other words, XHTML is basically dead. XEP-0071 XHTML-IM is only a select subset of XHTML with unclear focus - what the people at the time deemed sensible for the IM usecase. This likely has changed since and remaining XMPP clients implementing it often divert from the specification in some aspects (by supporting more or less elements/attributes/properties than recommended). Instead of reviving XHTML / XHTML-IM / XEP-0071 I would suggest those that want to use HTML or XHTML, especially for non-IM usecases, to use XEP-0481 to transfer HTML5. For IM usecases, it's probably a good idea to write up which features are desired from XHTML-IM that XEP-0394 does not provide, so we can work on semantifying those for inclusion in XEP-0394. Marvin [1] https://www.w3.org/standards/history/xhtml11/ [2] https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/xhtml.html#the-xhtml-syntax On Sun, 2026-03-15 at 01:43 +0000, Stephen Paul Weber wrote: