18 Jun
2025
18 Jun
'25
12:02 a.m.
Greetings.
Preface
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I would want to advise to extend XEP-0107 (User Mood) and XEP-0108
(User Activity), so that it would be possible to selectively advertize
of activities and moods.
This is beneficial for both humans and machines.
Because the examples for humans may be vague, I will write an obvious
case for machines.
Service
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KaikOut is a moderation service (i.e. "bot", so called) for group chats.
As with traffic signs, and unlike status messages, activity and mood
are fixated, even though both have an option for custom text, and
because of it, they can be used as constant and accurate indicators for
activity and state of machines.
That is, activities and moods can be used as signs, and also to signal
of events. See further examples.
Additionally, status messages, activities and moods serve different
purposes, which is another reason to have an option of selective
advertizing for activity and mood.
Example
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This is a realization of using activities and moods in a selective
fashion over different group chats simultaneously.
Ideas with XEP-0107: User Mood
------------------------------
amorous:
When KaikOut writes good scores.
annoyed:
When KaikOut writes bad scores.
ashamed:
When KaikOut demotes a moderator.
calm or bored:
When group activity is under a certain level.
happy or relaxed:
When moderation activity is under a certain level.
restless:
When moderation activity is above a certain level.
cautious or serious:
Routine mood.
remorseful or frustrated or sleepy:
When KaikOut is disabled.
proud:
When KaikOut bans or kicks an occupant.
ashamed or shocked:
When a group chat owner pormotes a moderator which was demoted by
KaikOut.
surprised:
When KaikOut is demoted.
thankful:
When KaikOut is set to be a moderator.
Ideas with XEP-0108: User Activity
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working:
When KaikOut writes scores.
sleeping:
When KaikOut is inactive.
Reference:
https://git.xmpp-it.net/sch/KaikOut/issues/36
Kind regards,
Schimon
18 Jun
18 Jun
12:33 a.m.
Hi,
I think this boils down to the earlier discussion
(<https://mail.jabber.org/hyperkitty/list/standards@xmpp.org/thread/K5VWQ5W4PTWCSCAFSCLWT3GOSBAQYXSR/>)
on PEP in MUC. If it was defined how autosubscription would work in that context, the only
thing the bot would have to do is publish User Mood and User Activity (and maybe User
Tune)
to the respective nodes on its occupant JID.
I do not think this requires any changes to those format specifications.
--
ralphm
On 18 June 2025 08:02:18 CEST, Schimon Jehudah <sch(a)fedora.email> wrote:
Greetings.
Preface
-------
I would want to advise to extend XEP-0107 (User Mood) and XEP-0108
(User Activity), so that it would be possible to selectively advertize
of activities and moods.
This is beneficial for both humans and machines.
Because the examples for humans may be vague, I will write an obvious
case for machines.
Service
-------
KaikOut is a moderation service (i.e. "bot", so called) for group chats.
As with traffic signs, and unlike status messages, activity and mood
are fixated, even though both have an option for custom text, and
because of it, they can be used as constant and accurate indicators for
activity and state of machines.
That is, activities and moods can be used as signs, and also to signal
of events. See further examples.
Additionally, status messages, activities and moods serve different
purposes, which is another reason to have an option of selective
advertizing for activity and mood.
Example
-------
This is a realization of using activities and moods in a selective
fashion over different group chats simultaneously.
Ideas with XEP-0107: User Mood
------------------------------
amorous:
When KaikOut writes good scores.
annoyed:
When KaikOut writes bad scores.
ashamed:
When KaikOut demotes a moderator.
calm or bored:
When group activity is under a certain level.
happy or relaxed:
When moderation activity is under a certain level.
restless:
When moderation activity is above a certain level.
cautious or serious:
Routine mood.
remorseful or frustrated or sleepy:
When KaikOut is disabled.
proud:
When KaikOut bans or kicks an occupant.
ashamed or shocked:
When a group chat owner pormotes a moderator which was demoted by
KaikOut.
surprised:
When KaikOut is demoted.
thankful:
When KaikOut is set to be a moderator.
Ideas with XEP-0108: User Activity
----------------------------------
working:
When KaikOut writes scores.
sleeping:
When KaikOut is inactive.
Reference:
https://git.xmpp-it.net/sch/KaikOut/issues/36
Kind regards,
Schimon
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1:56 a.m.
Ralph. Good day.
So, I suppose that, the requirement would be to have clients reading
activities and moods from PubSub nodes?
If I did not understand it correctly, then I would be glad to have a
written example or realization of it, because I want activities and
moods to be advertized differently to MUCs, as my services already do
(i.e. to one MUC Slixfeed send "No updates", while to another it sends
"There are 17 updates").
I have wrote this message in accordance with my experience with status
messages.
Kind regards,
Schimon
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 08:33:37 +0200
Ralph Meijer <ralphm(a)ik.nu> wrote:
Hi,
I think this boils down to the earlier discussion
(<https://mail.jabber.org/hyperkitty/list/standards@xmpp.org/thread/K5VWQ5W4PTWCSCAFSCLWT3GOSBAQYXSR/>)
on PEP in MUC. If it was defined how autosubscription would work in
that context, the only thing the bot would have to do is publish User
Mood and User Activity (and maybe User Tune) to the respective nodes
on its occupant JID.
I do not think this requires any changes to those format
specifications.
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