[Foundation] Jabber Klatch: Discuss .org server role

Maciek Borowka borowka at medialogic.it
Thu Aug 9 10:03:18 CDT 2001

> Your example works for internal use maybe, but what about an ISP with a
> couple hundred thousand users, or EBay or any of those sorts?  Right now
> .org is not an option for that.

I agree absolutely. Many web "communities" are currently installing
IM systems, and they simply cannot use jabber.org server right now
without having problems of scalability (yes, temas, I know, you don't like 
me stressing about that so much, but I must have the arguments when I am 
talking to a customer with a two-millions-rows user database ;).

My question is: do we want jabber.org server be an "option for that"? 
My answer is: YES! 

We are the company with a strong feeling of open-source in mind and I cannot
see any reasons not to propose jabber.org server to our partners. I simply 
don't want to use JCS. Right now, we are using Apache, we are using MySQL, 
and we WANT to use jabber.org.

Maciek Borowka (= MacBerry)
Medialogic, Inc

> -----Original Message-----
> From: johnston at megaepic.com [mailto:johnston at megaepic.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:09 AM
> To: members at jabber.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation] Jabber Klatch: Discuss .org server role
> Well, large organizations tend to be just that, organizations... generally
> there have already been divisions made up between departments and offices,
> etc. In this respect, the jabber system scales pretty well (even though 
> particular server may not) since you can have user at dept.company.com or
> something along those lines. It would of course be good to improve the
> server whenever possible, but a huge number of users do not need to be
> supported as an inital design goal; rather, a more appropriate design goal
> would be to minimize the effort required to improve upward scalability
> should it be required. What kinds of things would stop the jabber server
> from scaling to large user counts? If these things are identified, why can
> they not be fixed? Are there large compromises between management effort 
> scalability?
> Mat.
> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 12:08:28PM -0700, Max Metral wrote:
> > From the foundation meeting, we agreed some questions should be taken to
> > this list.  Here's my recollection of them:
> > 
> > 1) What is the long term role of the open source server in scale and
> > purpose?
> > 
> > i.e. should a company that has 10,000 simultaneous users be considering
> > using an open source server or is that just not a goal or an option.
> > Remember this is a long term question, although it certainly will need 
> > take timelines into account for a realistic answer.
> > 
> > 2) Is there anything the Foundation/Members/Council should be doing to
> > improve the speed of server development or at the very least is there
> > anything we are doing to hinder it's development that we can stop doing.

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