[Foundation] Jabber Klatch: Discuss .org server role

Max Metral Max.Metral at peoplepcHQ.com
Thu Aug 9 13:30:11 CDT 2001


TCP sockets can scale pretty well though.  You're right they can be heavy,
but adding some dumb socket concentrator boxes in front of the hub handles
that, which is what scm/dpsm/jabelin and all that stuff does I think.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Abbas [mailto:zsa at expertq.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:14 PM
To: 'members at jabber.org'
Subject: Re: [Foundation] Jabber Klatch: Discuss .org server role



What about a UDP implementation of the server?  IIRC, the big scalability 
issue for a single server is the number of sockets required.  (I realize
this 
is a can of worms that leads to changes all over, but I think that datagrams

make more sense for an IM network than persistant connections.)  

=Bill

On Thursday 09 August 2001 07:26 am, Max Metral wrote:
> Your example works for internal use maybe, but what about an ISP with a
> couple hundred thousand users, or EBay or any of those sorts?  Right now
> .org is not an option for that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johnston at megaepic.com [mailto:johnston at megaepic.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 1:09 AM
> To: members at jabber.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation] Jabber Klatch: Discuss .org server role
>
>
> Well, large organizations tend to be just that, organizations... generally
> there have already been divisions made up between departments and offices,
> etc. In this respect, the jabber system scales pretty well (even though
one
> particular server may not) since you can have user at dept.company.com or
> something along those lines. It would of course be good to improve the
> server whenever possible, but a huge number of users do not need to be
> supported as an inital design goal; rather, a more appropriate design goal
> would be to minimize the effort required to improve upward scalability
> should it be required. What kinds of things would stop the jabber server
> from scaling to large user counts? If these things are identified, why can
> they not be fixed? Are there large compromises between management effort
> and scalability?
>
> Mat.
>
> On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 12:08:28PM -0700, Max Metral wrote:
> > From the foundation meeting, we agreed some questions should be taken to
> > this list.  Here's my recollection of them:
> >
> > 1) What is the long term role of the open source server in scale and
> > purpose?
> >
> > i.e. should a company that has 10,000 simultaneous users be considering
> > using an open source server or is that just not a goal or an option.
> > Remember this is a long term question, although it certainly will need
to
> > take timelines into account for a realistic answer.
> >
> > 2) Is there anything the Foundation/Members/Council should be doing to
> > improve the speed of server development or at the very least is there
> > anything we are doing to hinder it's development that we can stop doing.
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