[Foundation] jabber.com for president

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Wed Jun 27 16:35:03 CDT 2001

<rant mode='flame'>

Steve, I appreciate your interest in Jabber, and it seems that myJabber
has done some cool stuff with this technology. However, I take umbrage at
the suggestion that, just because a person receives a paycheck from
jabber.com, that person is a corporate tool. The jabber.com folks who were
voted by the members of the foundation into the Council happen to all be
people who were involved with Jabber before Jabber.com came on the scene,
who have contributed strongly to the project, and who would continue to
contribute to the project if jabber.com went bust tomorrow. Do you
question the integrity of Alan Cox just because he receives a paycheck
from RedHat? Is he a corporate tool? I think not, and I think such an
accusation is just as invalid when directed against Jer or David Waite or
Dave Smith or Peter Millard or me. We (and many others) have spent
countless hours adding value to Jabber as an open-source project. The
Jabber.com employees on the council care about, and have consistently
demonstrated that they care about, Jabber as an open technology. I can of
course speak only for myself, but I would like it to be known that in my
work on jabber.org projects and in capacity as a member of the Jabber
Foundation and the Jabber Council, I work solely for the sake of this open
platform we call Jabber.


On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Stephen Lee wrote:

> Michael Bauer,
> Please note I mean no offence to any person involved on the council.
> I just read the minutes of today's meeting. Have you gone back and read
> them??
> As you know I have tried to attend all the meetings and given you my input ,
> but was busy today and when I did try to connect s2s was messed (again). I
> noticed that you did mention our offer to host but by the looks of the
> meeting you have found someone else. I also noted that you will be working
> on tigris with James (consultant to jabber.com and foundation board member,
> with how many other jabber.com employees? I think it was you and jer and
> James and an exec at jabber.com so far right?) so I will also ditch the
> tigris project (it is very beta and unstable at this point anyway) and I'm
> sure jabber.com would rather have the control. With a council made up of
> over 50% of jabber.com employees it would seem that if jabber.com wanted
> something they should be able to get it.
> I also noticed several other emails in the mailing list that showed some
> uneasiness with this as well, so it is not just me.
> It would appear the best thing to do is let jabber.com run the board, the
> council and anything else they want to run and I'll just vote as a member if
> I have the chance, good luck with it all.
> Steve
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