[Foundation] jabber.com for president

Jay Lorenzo jlorenzo at uswest.net
Thu Jun 28 13:37:46 CDT 2001

Rereading my original post, I can see how I mixed metaphors, but the point I
was trying to make is that is important that the members of the Foundation
make sure that the actions of the Foundation serve the Jabber community as a

I apologize if that lack of distinction between the Council and the
Foundation in the post made my message unclear. I just wanted to point out
that there is resposibility that comes with being a member of the

-----Original Message-----
From: members-admin at jabber.org [mailto:members-admin at jabber.org]On
Behalf Of Thomas Charron
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 9:27 AM
To: members at jabber.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation] jabber.com for president

From: "Jay Lorenzo" <jlorenzo at uswest.net>
Subject: RE: [Foundation] jabber.com for president
> As a newcomer to Jabber, I no doubt have very little knowledge of some of
> the history here, but I do think that Stephen Lee's posting does raise
> valid concerns that the Foundation members need to be aware of.
> It's clear that the people who were elected here were the ones who brought
> the project into being, and they should be recognized for the work that
> have done. At the same time, it's important that the members elected to
> Foundation realize that the Foundation itself needs to establish a track
> record of impartiality. Regardless of the credentials and integrity of the
> people elected to the Foundation, ultimately, the credibility of the
> Foundation will be determined by the actions it takes.

    Perhaps you're not aware as a newcomer, but the issue is not with the
foundation itself.  It is with the foundations 'Council'.  The Council is
made up of 9 individuals, and the major complaint is that 5 of the 9 have
ties with Jabber.com.  Jabber.com employs these individuals becouse they are
the largest and most active developers on the Jabber project.

    It needs to be stated that the Council is still in check by the general
membership, which DOES have a fairly strict limit on the percentage of
representatives from any one entity.  The general membership can boot out
the council, or heck, even an individual council member if need be.

    The council was not setup this way so that j.c. could 'control' the
foundation.  Could they be biased?  Sure, no ones perfect.  Are they gonna
vote on something becouse j.c. tells them to?  Heck no.  Jer ensured that
when he was taken into employement to WORK on jabber full time, that the
jabber project as a whole remained intact with no strings attached.

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