How many Jabber developers can dance on the head of a pin? Re: [Foundation] I wish there was no Foundation

John Hebert john at
Fri Jun 29 10:46:39 CDT 2001

6/28/01 6:42:19 PM, Adam Theo <adamtheo at> wrote:

>Hello, Adam Theo here;
>after some quick thinking, i have to agree completely with you. i don't 
>see how it is neccessary for to use the reasources to build a 
>seperate server.

Adam, you are confusing the fact that the Jabber effort is ultimately an
effort to build a good XML messaging protocol and not an effort to
build a server. is trying to make money off of a robust,
scalable server that implements the protocol, while also jumping through
hoops to make the protocol popular (and maybe even standard, one day).

> i think it would be perfectly logical and reasonable to 
>pool our efforts on one server (open source), and let sell it 
>(with full support, installation, etc, ) to corporations and other big 
>institutions that are wary  towards open source or free stuff.

Though it may seem so to pool efforts, it is not. I personally would
like to see servers that implement the Jabber protocol in many different
languages like Java and Python, both in open and closed source.

>price: well, that doesn't solve the problem of them being wary of 
>free/cheap stuff, since the server would be OS, you may ask. i answer: 
>to hell it does! who says has to sell the server and support 
>for pennies? let them charge thousands of bucks for the one server!

The problem is that they would sell only one. :)

Well, maybe a few, but the word that the source for Jabber is free would
get around. And that would be the end of that. To test my theory, burn a
CD with the source code for the Linux kernel and GNU tools on it and then
convince someone, anyone to buy it for more than 3 figures. 

> that way, would have more $$ to hire and train top-notch support 
>staff, and even better, afford to pay people like Jer and other 
> employees a higher salary for the same amount of work! who 
>could be against that! (well, maybe us who are not employed by 
> :-).
>hm... *scratching chin* i really like this idea.
>only problem: could it work?

Nope, at least not initially. Selling open source software in the hopes of making
money on services takes a little while to become profitable. RedHat _just_
closed a profitable quarter, and they've been in business since 1994. And RedHat
sells a whole operating system, while Jabber is, again, a protocol, not a server.

I propose that we not clutter up the Foundation mailing list with this thread. Does
someone know of another mailing list or forum that may be more appropriate?

John Hebert
System Engineer
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