[Foundation] RE: [JDEV] good discussion

Julian Missig julian at jabber.org
Wed May 16 16:28:12 CDT 2001


I haven't gotten any messages in this thread on members at jabber.org
yet... guess it's slow :)

Julian

On 16 May 2001 15:23:41 -0600, Michael Bauer wrote:
> 
> We've moved this discussion to members at jabber.org to keep jdev focused on,
> well, dev.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Missig [mailto:julian at jabber.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:52 PM
> To: jdev at jabber.org
> Subject: RE: [JDEV] good discussion
> 
> 
> 'Jabber' is, and always has been, the name of the protocol. The server
> was also called Jabber, but now there's a specific Open Source Linux
> server called Jabelin which is not being run by Jabber.com... Jabber.com
> wants to be able to keep their commercial server separate.
> 
> Calling something "Jabber Powered" would mean that it is using Jabber...
> the protocol. I call my client Gabber: The GNOME Jabber Client - I'm not
> referring to the server there, but the protocol... it's the same as
> calling it Gabber: The GNOME IMTP Client if it were renamed IMTP.
> 
> Julian
> 
> On 16 May 2001 15:43:23 -0500, Emswiler, Mike wrote:
> > Sorry I missed it - and will miss the next one, too - bad day for me.
> > 
> > But after reviewing the log, here's my $0.02 worth (assuming we live in an
> > open source democracy):
> > 
> > I vote to call the protocol IMTP (Instant Messaging Transport Protocol)
> ala
> > HTTP, FTP, et. al.
> > 
> > I think "Jabber Powered" or "Powered By Jabber" are actually misnomers,
> > unless you actually have a Jabber Server embedded in your product.  If
> your
> > product is a client, I would assume that advertising that it is "IMTP
> > compliant" would be what you really want.  I mean after all, we don't want
> > AIM to be "Powered by Jabber" but it sure would be nice if it were "IMTP
> > Compatible"
> > 
> > Further, it was my assumption when beginning to work with Jabber that
> > "Jabber" (the word) referred to the Open-Source Linux Server Project.  I
> > understand that the server has now been renamed to Jabelin, which is kinda
> > cool, but is that actually a rename, or is that just a code-name for a new
> > version of the server?
> > 
> > If it's an actual rename, then I suppose some clarification is in order
> (TBD
> > by the foundation, I would assume) as to what exactly "Jabber" is and who
> > can use it.  In all honesty, since the server has been renamed, it's quite
> > possible that the word "Jabber" might come out of common use and the whole
> > discussion of who owns the trademark becomes moot.
> > 
> > :)
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > MikeE
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Saint-Andre [mailto:stpeter at jabber.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:56 PM
> > To: jdev at jabber.org
> > Subject: [JDEV] good discussion
> > 
> > We had a good discussion regarding the Jabber Foundation in the
> > foundation at conference.jabber.org meeting room just now. A log is here:
> > 
> >
> http://perl.jabber.org/logs/conference.jabber.org/foundation/2001-05-16.html
> > 
> > Another Foundation meeting will be held in the same room at 22:00 UTC
> > (about 2 hours from the time I'm sending this email). If you will be
> > participating in the next meeting, please read the log ahead of time so
> > you know what we've already discussed. Also available is the meeting
> > agenda, there's a link to it from http://foundation.jabber.org/ (right
> > at the bottom of the page).
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > --
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> > stpeter at jabber.org
> > 
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