[Foundation] Jabber (tm)

Thomas Muldowney temas at box5.net
Sat May 19 00:14:43 CDT 2001


First off I'm going to say that I'm a Jabber.Com employee, and I'm going to
state everything here from that perspective (might be different than you
think).  I work for Jabber.  Plain and simple, but apparently there has
been some confusion around that recently.  I work for Jabber as a whole,
the project that was born an open source project and continues to be so to
this day.  The Jabber project that encompasses an open source server, an
open protocol, and all the trimmings.  I get paid to work on all this by
Jabber.Com, let's call that almost a sponsorship.  I work on 0 (yes that's
zero) commercial projects, only Jabber as a whole.  I advocate Jabber to
all corners of a globe, and I love Jabber plain and simple.  Recently we
stumbled upon these trademark problems, but the sheer volume of people that
strongly care about this topic only directly shows the amazing thing that
Jabber has grown into.  With all these people working hard on the few
problems that exist I truly believe that an acceptable solution will come
out of it, so I've put my attention and mind elsewhere.  Right where i want
it to be, in the code.  I've been busy building the Jabelin tools, getting
aim-t unthreaded, working on the jpg2, continuing to work on dpsm,
enhancing vorpex (oops2, the site backend), maintaining jabber.org servers,
and everything else.  It sounds like you want to be in this place too,
right?  Well, we're an open source project, with an open protocol and we'd
love more help so why not join us?  I mean what's the 100% worse case
scenario here?  Probably something like... The Jabber trademark issue
doesn't find a "peaceful" solution, Jabber as a community and project
changes it's name and continues to live because it's an open source
project.  So I'm having a hard time seeing your problems with wanting to
help.  If you care to expand more I would love to discuss them.  Feel free
to contact me through any means of communication, email, jabber, phone,
whatever you feel is best.

--temas

Sean McGlynn writes:

> 
> "I saw Zephyr after I had done most of the design and code for Jabber, so 
> there wasn't much point in trying to retrofit Zephyr with the ideas I had. 
> And I didn't want any commercial for-pay rip-offs, and the MIT license that 
> Zephyr is under doesn't seem to prohibit it like GPL does."
> 
> - Jeremie Miller (jabber.org) Jan 1999 - 
> http://slashdot.org/articles/99/01/04/1621211.shtml
> 
> 
> "4.  Regardless of ownership, though, we understand the name Jabber when
> used in a commercial product, service, company, or domain is restricted to
> Jabber.com, Inc.  We think that it's OK to use something like "Jab" as part
> of a name but are just double-checking that right now.  We do think that
> something like "Jab"  can only be used in conjunction with the quality
> mark."
> 
> - Michael Bauer (jabber.com) May 2001 -
> 
> 
> This to me is "before and after", "open versus closed", "free versus  
> controlled". Maybe I misunderstood the whole purpose of Jabber and why Jer 
> created it, but if I did, I doubt if I'm the only one. I guess I'll just have 
> to go "scratch an itch" that developed recently and create my own "truly" 
> free IM/XML-messaging system. That's "free" as in beer and, more especially, 
> speech. Once you start controlling who can and can't use the "J" word, 
> commercially or otherwise, freedom of speech is lost.
> Of course, my alternative will also have plugin support so that it can 
> interface to commercial systems like AIM, ICQ and, these days, Jabber.
> 
> IMHO Jabber, the project and the ideal, has lost its way. Once you start down 
> the "trademark", "brand", "foundation" and "certified 100% compatible" route, 
> you're guaranteed to lose the support of many people like myself and thus the 
> ubiquity that you desire.
> 
> I apologise in advance, especially to Jer, if all this sounds a little harsh. 
> But then again I hope Jer, amongst all others, will probably understand my 
> wish to create something new and free.
> I've enjoyed following the project and I honestly wish you all the very best 
> for the future.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sean
> 
> -- 
> Sean McGlynn
> sean at tmiau.com
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