[Foundation] Jabber (tm)

temas temas at box5.net
Tue May 22 17:37:45 CDT 2001

I respectfully disagree.  Yes we're helping with the foundation (mostly
jer) but a strong group of us are still strongly focussed on
development.  In all reality I would say that those of us hired by
Jabber.Com have had more time to focus in on the open source world.
It's all I spend my day doing, because I have 0 (zero) commercial
projects I work on.  The actual primary reason for so little core team
noise is because most of them are moving.  Jer has moved to a new house,
Keith has moved, and Peter is preparing too.  I guess I'm the only one
that has really been around for a most of this early summer time.  Also,
dizzyd has stepped up to help me with Jabelin.  It has taken shape, and
will soon be spitting out the works.  I've been focussing on docu, dpsm,
and some other areas.  Transport development has really picked up
recently, especially by myself and sheath.  I've seen a ton of new
projects and answered a ton of new emails, so I don't think there is a
problem with people joining the project.  Jabelin will help organize the
open source side of development, so watch that more than the foundation
if you want to develop.  So maybe you're just looking in the wrong spot?


On 22 May 2001 09:56:23 -0500, Iain Shigeoka wrote:
> At 07:34 AM 5/22/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> >I am unsettled not about the name or the name change, but about the lack of
> >leadership that I see here from Jabber.org and for that matter Jabber.com.
> >I know this going to get me in trouble, but then I am sorry.  The seperation
> >of jabber.org from jabber.com has not been easy. I have only been looking at
> >"jabber" for the last 6 months, not a veteran, not a newbie as far looking
> >in, but a newbie as a participant.
> I'm a newbie myself.  I have been operating under the assumption that most 
> of the leadership "problems" are a result of the transition process ( j.o 
> ---> j.c + j.o) and the fact that Jabber is relatively new and not 
> extremely well established yet.  I think (am hoping) that the Foundation is 
> going to be a test of the Jabber community's ability to move past this 
> phase and become productive again.  A test that we will pass!  :)
>  From my experience with open source projects, there is always a small core 
> group that does 80-90% of the work.  j.c probably hired most/all of them so 
> they are all now embroiled in trying to survive as a business, create this 
> foundation, and run j.o.  This has really blown the wind out of the Jabber 
> sails for the short term.  For us to move beyond this phase, either the j.c 
> crew will have to take up the reins again (something that the foundation 
> may provide a good tool for doing) or a new core group will have to form up 
> and start leading.  If neither happens of course, things will die a slow 
> death that I've seen before on open source projects.  ;(
> For us outsiders, the only thing we can do to help is either support the 
> current core members, or step in and try and fill the gaps, committing to 
> becoming a core member ourselves.  I personally am going to see how the 
> Foundation shakes out first, then try and really get involved within that 
> new framework...  The Jabber naming thing is one of many issues that I 
> think will have to be addressed along the way so it may be a slow 
> process.  I am mentally setting a "I hope/want/need it done by" deadline of 
> the JabberCon at the end of the summer to evaluate the situation 
> again...  Until then, I'm giving my 2cents and watching the dog and pony 
> show!  :)
> -iain
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