[Foundation] Trademark thoughts

Ryan Eatmon reatmon at jabber.org
Wed May 23 21:16:03 CDT 2001

I can't speak for what exactly will be in the statement that Michael
Bauer is going to release, but I think I can give you a preview, or at
least my perspective of a preview.

Let me preface this with some thoughts.  The Jabber Foundation is
greatly needed.  We all agree with that.  But right now it is being
bogged down in a dispute over something that is not really disputable. 
Jabber.com owns the trademark.  The Jabber community arguing over this
is not going to make Jabber.com want to give it us.  That said...

I proposed something to Michael Bauer.  I proposed that Jabber.com keep
the trademark and setup the licensing as presented before.  The
Foundation will be responsible for handling all non-profit uses of
Jabber and the "Powered by Jabber" statement.  Jabber.com will retain
the trademark, but will include the Foundation in all requests from
commercial companies and listen to any suggestions that the Foundation
will make.  We would get a say in those matters, not a final say, but a
say.  Jabber.com can do whatever they want to with our suggestions. 
After a period of time, the trademark issue would be reevaluated by
Jabber.com and the Foundation.  If the suggestions that the Foundation
have made seem reasonable and show due respect to Jabber.com, they might
reconsider granting the trademark to the Foundation, on the other hand
we may abuse this privilege and show them they were right in keeping the
trademark and protecting it.

Right now the community is asking Jabber.com to give up something very
valuable to them, and we are asking them to give it to a collection of
people who have not proven themselves (in their eyes) to be good
stewards of that thing.  You wouldn't easily give your only car to a
teenager who just got his license.  You would give them small
responsibilities and watch what they do with those first.  This is no

We need to start showing Jabber.com that we are all working towards the
same goal.  We need to ask them for responsibility, and then show them
that we can handle it when it is given to us.

Like I said at the start.  I can't tell you exactly what Bauer will put
into his proposal.  But I think it will be along the lines of what I've
laid out here.

In the meantime.  We don't have the trademark.  But we don't have a
Foundation either.  Let's try to work on one before worrying about the


Ryan Eatmon                   reatmon at jabber.org 
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