[Foundation] Recent confusion about the JSF, JINC and the IETF

bauer at michaelbauer.com bauer at michaelbauer.com
Thu Aug 1 22:14:24 CDT 2002

Not to be a nit, but the reference is to "project" not "product".  
Terminology is important in these discussions.

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Julian Missig wrote:

> Richard Dobson wrote:
> > This is the part that most worries me:
> > 
> > 
> >>The confusion has been furthered by a couple of lines in section 6 of
> >>the minutes of the IETF BOF minutes (available at
> >>http://www.jabber.org/ietf/bof-minutes.txt):
> > 
> > 
> >>Q: Are you comfortable with the notion of giving up control of the
> >>   technology in your flagship project?
> >>A: Yes, this has sign off at the highest levels of managment in Jabber,
> >>   Inc.
> > 
> > 
> >>Q: Will you support the resulting specification?
> >>A: Yes, this has sign-off at the highest levels of managment in Jabber,
> >>   Inc.
> > 
> > 
> > That Jabber, Inc appears to be making decisions on behalf of the community
> > without consultation and infact suggesting they think the own the protocol,
> > it is also worrying that we only find out about this after the event, a
> > decision of this magnetude needs to be made democratically by a vote of the
> > JSF membership the only people who can actually make this decision, I dont
> > really think its the place of Jabber, Inc to make these decisions.
> Uh, I'm fairly certain the "you" in those questions refers to Jabber, 
> Inc., not the Jabber community or the JSF. The JSF does not have a 
> "flagship product". You could argue that jabberd is the "flagship 
> product" except for the fact that we have been actively trying to make 
> it /not/ the only open Jabber server implementation.
> Julian

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