[Foundation] Recent confusion about the JSF, JINC and the IETF

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Thu Aug 1 22:47:13 CDT 2002


Jeremie already addressed this issue -- the lag here may come from the
fact that I've been a bad list admin and didn't free up this post until
just a few minutes ago (it seems to have been sent from an address other
than the one Richard Dobson subscribed from). Jer's clarification of this
issue is here:

http://mailman.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2002-August/001208.html

So please let's not continue this thread unless it takes Jer's post into
account.

Peter

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Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 bauer at michaelbauer.com wrote:

> 
> Not to be a nit, but the reference is to "project" not "product".  
> Terminology is important in these discussions.
> 
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Julian Missig wrote:
> 
> > Richard Dobson wrote:
> > > This is the part that most worries me:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >>The confusion has been furthered by a couple of lines in section 6 of
> > >>the minutes of the IETF BOF minutes (available at
> > >>http://www.jabber.org/ietf/bof-minutes.txt):
> > > 
> > > 
> > >>Q: Are you comfortable with the notion of giving up control of the
> > >>   technology in your flagship project?
> > >>A: Yes, this has sign off at the highest levels of managment in Jabber,
> > >>   Inc.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >>Q: Will you support the resulting specification?
> > >>A: Yes, this has sign-off at the highest levels of managment in Jabber,
> > >>   Inc.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > That Jabber, Inc appears to be making decisions on behalf of the community
> > > without consultation and infact suggesting they think the own the protocol,
> > > it is also worrying that we only find out about this after the event, a
> > > decision of this magnetude needs to be made democratically by a vote of the
> > > JSF membership the only people who can actually make this decision, I dont
> > > really think its the place of Jabber, Inc to make these decisions.
> > 
> > Uh, I'm fairly certain the "you" in those questions refers to Jabber, 
> > Inc., not the Jabber community or the JSF. The JSF does not have a 
> > "flagship product". You could argue that jabberd is the "flagship 
> > product" except for the fact that we have been actively trying to make 
> > it /not/ the only open Jabber server implementation.
> > 
> > Julian
> > 
> 
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