[Foundation] Re: Foundation] Council Questions SIP/SIMPLE

Jean-Louis Seguineau /EXC/TEC jean-louis.seguineau at antepo.com
Thu Aug 8 12:47:56 CDT 2002

Sofar none. It only talks to a little SIP/SIMPLE (windows) server that M$
allow to download for free. And not always well. But this is clearly an
attempt to make MSN another de-facto standard by shear number.
Unless Jabber speads faster....

In any case, there are many example of superior technology not reaching the
expected level of adoption. And there is a repeated pattern of mediocre
technology being overwelmingly adopted, especially when "up to the
implementer" features have been build into it. SIMPLE maybe a piece of crap,
but it has an heavyweight ally.
And it also has a very slim and usable interface in MSN messenger.


----- Original Message ----- >
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:05:50 -0600
> From: David Waite <mass at akuma.org>
> To: members at jabber.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation] Council Questions
> Reply-To: members at jabber.org
> Julian Missig wrote:
> > Sorry, I feel the need to respond to this part. MSN Messenger clients
> > that are included with XP (and all version 4.6+ I believe (not sure))
> > do have support for "SIMPLE" -- yes, IM over SIP. It's based off of a
> > draft from earlier this year/late last year, I believe, but it is
> > SIMPLE. The problem, however, is that SIMPLE does leave a lot of
> > things "up to implementation" -- and Microsoft definitely took
> > advantage of that at points -- they also blatantly didn't follow the
> > specification in other areas (two sockets are required when talking to
> > the server, for example). I'm just trying to prevent false rumors
> > about the competition. :)
> So the better question would be - _when_ does MSN Messenger use
> MS/SIMPLE? What is the magic trick to get it to talk to other MSN users
> with SIMPLE?
> -David Waite

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