[Foundation] Text Conferencing Ammendment

bauer at michaelbauer.com bauer at michaelbauer.com
Thu Aug 15 14:07:13 CDT 2002


I think "useless sham" is a bit strong.  All I'm trying to do is to strike 
some balance between doing what needs to be done from the perspective of 
the by-laws and providing some accommodation for the "Jabber way" of 
communicating in a cooperative fashion.  Technically, no meetings can be 
held without being there in person or on the phone in a conference call.  
No votes can be carried out unless done so in-person, on the phone, 
in-writing, or through e-mail (and even that is a bit suspect).  

We're kind of going from one extreme to the other here.  Voting for Board 
Members via the memberbot is definitely not acceptable yet everyone seemed 
OK with that.  Now, simply adding the memberbot as an additional conduit 
in the context of the more legally correct physical meeting supplemented 
by conference calls does not seem acceptable.  

On 15 Aug 2002, Thomas Muldowney wrote:

> You still have identity issues.  The groupchat server, in it's current
> state, just can't verify that people are who they say they are.  While
> this doesn't hurt voting, it does make the meeting something of a
> useless sham.
> 
> --temas
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2002-08-15 at 13:31, bauer at michaelbauer.com wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe we could something else, like MSN?
> > 
> > :)
> > 
> > Seriously, I think we could use groupchat for meetings but then carry out 
> > votes using memberbot.  That way we could have the discussions and 
> > official votes would be verifiable.  I could ammend the ammendment to so 
> > stipulate.  Would that be acceptable?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > 
> > > My only concern right now is that groupchat is essentially anonymous. We
> > > need a way to verify that someone is who they say they are. Until then I'm
> > > not sure we can regarding groupchat as reliably or official.
> > > 
> > > Thoughts?
> > > 
> > > Peter
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Peter Saint-Andre
> > > Jabber Software Foundation
> > > http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.html
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 bauer at michaelbauer.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > There has been some continual confusion over whether we can use Jabber to 
> > > > actually have some of these meetings.  I'd like to try and end that 
> > > > confusion for meetings of the Members:
> > > > 
> > > > I propose that the Board of Directors approve the addition of the 
> > > > following sentence to the end of the existing paragraph for Section 3.1 
> > > > Place of Meetings in the Jabber Software Foundation By-Laws.
> > > > 
> > > > "Text conferencing is an approved form of remote communication provided 
> > > > all participants communicate with one another through the text 
> > > > conference."
> > > > 
> > > > Note a couple of things about this statement.  First, the caveat that all 
> > > > participants have to communicate with one another through the conference.
> > > > This seems a little redundant but it's important because you can't have 
> > > > some people talking on the phone and others talking in the text 
> > > > conference.
> > > > 
> > > > Second, note that this does NOT necessarily apply to a meeting of the 
> > > > Board of Directors.  I think that those meetings must still be conducted 
> > > > over the phone at a minimum.  Resolving whether the Board can use text 
> > > > conferencing is not nearly as important right now.
> > > > 
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