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Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Thu Aug 22 12:04:32 CDT 2002

Hey Iain, thanks for the realistic (not to say jaded or cynical)  
perspective. :) 

You're absolutely right. Let's fix this for certain in October when we
accept new members (if item 2.3 on the agenda passes....).


Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation

On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Iain Shigeoka wrote:

> On 8/21/02 11:42 PM, "Gregory Leblanc" <gleblanc at linuxweasel.com> wrote:
> > If companies are using these 'strong-arm' tactics, are they really
> > appropriate for the JSF?  I wouldn't be willing to work for any company
> Well, in theory, the JSF should be willing and in fact looking to attract
> all sorts of commercial interests to Jabber technology.  I'll pull a name
> out of my hat and say, for example, if MSN messenger were to start
> supporting Jabber, we'd want to have have Microsoft participate in the JSF.
> MS is not criminal (well, let's say they aren't for the purposes of this
> discussion) but they will use every possible edge to their advantage... to
> the absolute envelope of legality (and perhaps a step or two beyond).
> IMO, JSF must be able and willing to work with companies playing hard ball
> in order to bring Jabber out to the main stream.  MS is just one example of
> companies that would be good for Jabber and the JSF to bring into the
> fold...  All the big powerhouses in technology are pretty hard nosed and the
> JSF should be ready for them when they join the Jabber community.
> Just go down the list of big players that would be a huge win to see backing
> and developing Jabber technology: microsoft, cisco, oracle, sun, etc.  Look
> at the legal battles in other XML technologies like Web Services and XML
> security... *blech* and that kind of activity (if not the turf wars) is
> something we actually _want_ to happen with JSF at some point...  :)
> Either we want Jabber to become a major part of the Internet infrastructure
> or we don't.  If we do want to swim with the sharks, we shouldn't be naïve
> and trust that everyone will be nice and fair to each other.  Instead, we
> should take normal precautions so that intense but fair competition is
> ensured.
> -iain
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