[Foundation] Criteria, Voting, Membership What does it mean?

Thomas Muldowney temas at box5.net
Tue Mar 12 00:28:20 CST 2002


I see your point, and I think if the comments came with, "Perhaps,
feature XYZ could be examined from this point of view.  Here are some
thoughts from that view, and why we think it's better.", and that was
happening on a semi regular basis wit the discussions.   It would be
beneficial.  But it should also be noted that the JSF council does not
drive jabberd development, it drives protocol development.  The jabberd
just happens to be a reference implementation of the JSF approved
protocol.  Does that help?

--temas


On Tue, 2002-03-12 at 00:23, Stephen Pendleton wrote:
> I agree. What I am attempting to understand is what being active in the
> community is in terms of the JSF. Is it writing open source code, producing
> docs, or other technical things - or does it also include contributing
> information like "Verizon would be interested in rolling out Jabber, but
> without XYZ feature they will not proceed."
> 
> As an engineer myself, I realize the importance of technical contributions,
> but virtually every person nominated for the JSF listed only their technical
> abilities in their resume. This is fine if the JSF is going to be a
> technical organization, but it is not clear to me if that is the case.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> I think part of it is the fact that JSF gatherings (since they aren't
> legally meetings), every Wed are open to the public.  Almost every week
> a fairly important issue is raised and discussed.  If you wanted to be
> in the JSF it's very simple to begin attending these meetings and
> actively making your voice heard.  Yes I agree it's important to have
> these types of people included in the community and the JSF, but they
> have to be willing to fully contribute, and not just blow a whistle
> every once in a while.  Part of being a true member of any community, is
> being active in it.
> 
> --temas
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2002-03-11 at 23:45, Stephen Pendleton wrote:
> > My feeling is that if we can get people on board who can provide guidance
> or
> > insight on issues such as how service providers can integrate Jabber into
> > their offerings, the community is much better off. I would like to see
> > Jabber as a commercial success, and that would be a powerful contribution.
> > Perhaps the JSF is not the appropriate place for that, but with that type
> of
> > input it will be easier to make technical decisions about Jabber's future.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: members-admin at jabber.org [mailto:members-admin at jabber.org]On
> > Behalf Of Peter Saint-Andre
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:20 AM
> > To: members at jabber.org
> > Subject: RE: [Foundation] Criteria, Voting, Membership What does it
> > mean?
> >
> >
> > Right now the members of the JSF are *individuals*, not organizations.
> > Those individuals need not make a technical contribution (e.g., end-user
> > howto docs are not technical IMHO), but they need to make a contribution
> > to the Jabber community, IMHO. There is definitely a place in the Jabber
> > ecosystem for purely commercial enterprises, I'm just not sure that being
> > purely commercial entitles representatives of an organization to be
> > members of the JSF if they have not made any kind of public contribution
> > (JEPs, howtos, code, what have you). Or so it seems to me right now.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > --
> > Peter Saint-Andre
> > email+jabber: stpeter at jabber.org
> > weblog: http://www.saint-andre.com/blog/
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Stephen Pendleton wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > My main issue with the below criteria is that they exclude those people
> > who
> > > do contribute to the Jabber effort, but not in a technical way. Is the
> > > intention of the JSF to provide solely technical guidance to the
> > community?
> > > It would be useful to have representation on the JSF that includes
> > > individuals from organizations pushing to move Jabber further into the
> > > commercial world.
> > >
> > > Thank You,
> > > Stephen Pendleton
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------------------
> > > Would it be possible to come up with objective ways to measure the
> extent
> > > of an individual's contributions to the Jabber community? Here are some
> > > possibilities:
> > >
> > > 1. JEPs accepted by the JEP Editor
> > > 2. Substantive comments made within the Standards JIG
> > > 3. Questions answered on JDEV or JADMIN
> > > 4. Documents produced (howtos, whitepapers, etc.)
> > > 5. Community services provided (e.g., JabberStudio, JabberCentral)
> > > 6. Code contributed (to your own project or someone else's)
> > >
> > >
> 
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