[Foundation] voting update

zad zadk at mynet.com
Wed Mar 13 03:08:47 CST 2002


This is not in the spirit of jabber as I know it. I'd be totally against it.

zad

> -----Original Message-----
> From: members-admin at jabber.org
> [mailto:members-admin at jabber.org]On Behalf Of Michael Bauer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:00 PM
> To: members at jabber.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation] voting update
>
>
>
> Under Section 3.12 of the By-Laws of the Jabber Software Foundation, I am
> calling for additional members to join me in forming a bloc of 5% of the
> Membership to call for a full vote of the current Membership; the
> intention of this full vote would be to attain a 2/3 majority under
> Section 2.5 of the By-Laws of the Jabber Software Foundation to
> remove all
> members of sltsCommunications from membership in the Jabber Software
> Foundation.
>
>
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Terry Smelser wrote:
>
> > >I really hate to be infammatory -- but what exactly have you guys done
> > >for the *Foundation* community beyond write a book and work on closed
> > >source clients?
> >
> > I wasn't refering to the FOUNDATION as a community, remember, I
> think it's a
> > "good ole boys club". I refer to Jabber and only Jabber as a community.
> > What have we done for Jabber?   Instead of me pointing that
> out....why don't
> > you look?  And keep looking, the release of our book will bring about
> > several changes in our setup here. Things that will benefit the entire
> > JABBER community...we hope anyway ( prolly won't do a thing for
> the "good
> > ole boys club", but was never ment to)
> >
> >
> > No we don't write a lot to any of the threads.... we found out
> right after
> > the beginnings of the Foundation, when we were pushing  for the
> resolution
> > of  some issues, (that are still unresolved)  that our input,
> our PUSHING,
> > was not welcome. We were ask to "stop rocking the boat", in open forum,
> > mailing lists and in private email (yes I still have copies of
> all of it).
> > Foundation email is a source of information to me (and us) and
> that, you can
> > never have enough of.
> >
> > So fine, it does not  bother any of us here to be the black
> sheep, we kind
> > of enjoy it. We have continued to work on our clients, build
> custom clients,
> > write a book on the setup and configuration of open source
> Jabber servers
> > and the design of OPEN source client software as well. We have
> pushed OUR
> > client first, and ANY Jabber client next. ( this is only fair
> and good for
> > business). I have written countless articles and letters about switching
> > users to Jabber and away from the big guys networks,  etc..
> etc..  I will do
> > more and anything I can think of to promote "Jabber" and it's
> use. Again,
> > while I always push myJabber for windows, would you care to guess what I
> > push for Linux/Unix? :-) Only the best for my customers and users....
> >
> > So what have I done for the Foundation? What I was ask to do...
> I shut up.
> >
> > > I'm looking forward to your email about the copyright problems.
> >
> > Unless I am instructed to do so by slts, I will not address the issue,
> > (other than to be sure WE don't take a hit) I tried in the very
> beginning,
> > all of us did. I simply do not have time to work where I am not
> wanted and
> > it was made clear to us that we were NOT welcome.
> >
> > Jabber on the other hand has been kinder to me and I to it.
> >
> >  I think this statement goes for all of us here at slts, if it
> don't you can
> > be SURE I will hear about it in the morning.
> >
> >
> >
> > Terry Smelser
> > System Specialist
> > sltsCommunications
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julian Missig" <julian at jabber.org>
> > To: <members at jabber.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 8:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation] voting update
> >
> >
> > > On Mon, 2002-03-11 at 22:35, Terry Smelser wrote:
> > > > And this has what to do with the fact that drivel is
> drivel??  It occurs
> > to
> > > > me that while a little bit of color is harmless and perhaps
> even useful,
> > > > some of us just don't have the time for it.  I have been
> getting PILES
> > of
> > > > foundation mail here as of late, little of it has been
> worth the drive
> > space
> > > > it consumes.
> > >
> > > Looking through the most recent mails, I only see a handful which I
> > > would consider useless. Most of them seem to be people trying to sort
> > > out problems... and I think we're arriving at the core of the
> > > foundation's current problems.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >   And NO I would not consider removing myself from the
> lists, because
> > just
> > > > by accident, something that I might really want to read may
> come though.
> > The
> > > > Foundation, so far, has taken on all of the qualities of a "good ole
> > boys
> > > > club" and not much else.
> > > >
> > > > Example:
> > > >
> > > >  We here at slts (myJabber) do NOT use the Powered by Jabber logos,
> > there is
> > > > a copyright violation involved in using them. It was and IS the
> > foundation's
> > > > position to resolve that issue. Instead, the leadership of
> it (in this
> > case
> > > > YOU) has seen fit to reprimand a member for stating his
> opinion, while
> > > > defending others for stating theirs. Or at least exercising
> their right
> > to
> > > > free speech.
> > >
> > > So bring up your issues with the trademark and copyright in
> the thread!
> > > The reason the discussion on it has fizzled is because no one has said
> > > anything about it. Jabber, Inc. is not going to start bringing up
> > > problems on its own, you guys need to talk about them.
> > >
> > > If you have so many problems with the copyrights and leadership of the
> > > foundation, where did you make these problems known? I haven't seen
> > > anywhere near as much noise from @sltscommunications.net
> email addresses
> > > for any other thread. In fact, I don't see a single email from any of
> > > you on the "Jabber (TM)" thread -- and you claim that is one of your
> > > problems.
> > >
> > > *If you have issues with the leadership or copyright issues,
> make noise
> > > about it.* Not random noise just whining about it like I am sometimes
> > > guilty of doing -- make a logical, well-drawn argument for your point.
> > > Mike Lin does this very well (sometimes too well ;) ).
> > >
> > > And I'm really clueless about this "reprimand[ing] a member
> for stating
> > > his opinion" -- could someone please point me to this?
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Let's get on the ball here and resolve a few issues that
> affect all of
> > us,
> > > > instead of an issue that involved ONE person.
> > >
> > > I'm looking forward to your email about the copyright problems.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have NO doubt that Peter and DJ have contributed an
> amazing amount to
> > the
> > > > Jabber Community; in fact I am quite sure of it.  I have
> received a lot
> > of
> > > > help, both directly and indirectly from both of them. AND
> from a lot of
> > > > other guys that are not perhaps as high profile as these
> two. A lot of
> > us
> > > > have contributed in many ways, Steve Lee and I wrote a book
> that will
> > > > release next week, (Hungry Minds)  I can't wait to get a
> chance to Read
> > DJ's
> > > > book, But we at slts can achieve more in a part time afternoon, (we
> > still
> > > > have jobs) than frankly the foundation has achieved  from
> the time of
> > it's
> > > > inception.
> > >
> > > I really hate to be infammatory -- but what exactly have you guys done
> > > for the *Foundation* community beyond write a book and work on closed
> > > source clients? I have spent time trying to move the
> foundation forward.
> > > I like to think I'm partially responsible for the recent boom
> in number
> > > of JEPs, and I continue to work on more. I'm pushing to get
> the Council
> > > to actually vote on these JEPs, as stpeter can attest to.
> > >
> > > > Never the less, we are either a community or we are not.
> Most of us are
> > > > treating this as a business now days, we don't have time for drivel,
> > > > regardless of WHO is responsible for it.
> > >
> > > Fine, but this is still about fun for me.
> > >
> > > Julian
> > > --
> > > email: julian at jabber.org
> > > jabber:julian at jabber.org
> > >
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