[Foundation] Reset: Back to business

Iain Shigeoka iainshigeoka at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 13 17:27:46 CST 2002

On 3/13/02 11:40 AM, "Jeremie" <jeremie at jabber.org> wrote:

>> I strongly disagree.  As I understood it, the entire point of the JSF and
>> council was that they would handle a lot of the administrative and legal BS
>> so that the Jabber could concentrate on the business and technical aspects
>> of evolving Jabber.
> You're mixing and confusing too many things here.  The point of the
> _Board_ is to handle administrative and legal BS.  The _Council_ was only
> to approve JEPs/JIGs.

Yes. Sorry. For convenience I grouped them together.  They are separate.

>> It has been the responsibility of the JSF (Board and Council) for at least
>> the past 6 months if not longer, to handle the administrative and legal
>> issues for expediting matters so that we could move forward.  The board and
>> council have done nothing in this direction.
> Again, please don't mix Board and Council together, they are completly
> different things for different purposes.
> The Council has done everything it was given to do, the full archives are
> publically available http://mailman.jabber.org/pipermail/council/ for
> review, and in light of recent discussion/confusion on it's role, it will
> be meeting this week to better define and guide that role of approving
> JEPs.

I was under the impression that the council should have a leadership role in
the JEP process.  Perhaps give guidance and advice on what standards should
be pushed forward, what is more important, and provide an overall vision of
where we're going as a whole.  From this recent conversation though, it
definitely seems this is not the case.  I shall adjust my mental model

> It is due time that the Board have another meeting though, and depending
> on the outcome of my last message w.r.t. the trademark, there may even be
> some decisions to discuss.  As of yet, I haven't seen anyone directly ask
> the Board to make a decision on any administrative/legal issue.

I'm very unclear on how this works then.  We as members must explicitly ask
the Board to decide on an issue.  If we do not, the board does nothing?  Do
we as individual members, create a proposal then submit it or do we have to
take a vote and submit it as a group to the board or is it less formal or
more formal?

Let's take this trademark issue as an example.  Way back when, we discussed
it to death.  We talked about JabberPowered.  We discussed changing the name
to XMPP so that we would not deal with it.  Someone said someone was looking
into it (was that Jabber Inc or JSF?).  This did not work out the way it was
supposed to (I'm assuming at least).

So let's learn from it.

1) we (at least some number of members) have already recognized there is a
"trademark issue" surrounding "Jabber" and "JabberPowered" and any sort of
compliance claim for products, services, etc.  Even if there is no legal
issue, there is a communication and confusion problem surrounding it.

What do we do next?

1) Does one of us write a proposal and submit it to the board?
2) do we have to vote on it before submitting it?
3) Can we just send an impromptu email to someone on the board, "hey, this
trademark issue needs to be fixed" and the board magically takes care of it?
4) once the board has the item for decision making, can we follow up on the
issue, expedite it, affect the board's decision, etc?


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