[Foundation] membership, money, and meritocracy

johannes.wagener at gmx.net johannes.wagener at gmx.net
Thu Apr 3 15:24:54 CST 2003

On 3 Apr 2003 at 15:23, Matt Tucker wrote:

> Johannes,
> > Well, you are right :)
> > contribution is not for evry one.
>  > [snip]
>  > Whatever our non open source and not very commercial clients are also
>  > part of the Jabber world and I think we deserve influence on the
>  > Jabber Protocol and stuff as same as the other two parties.
>  >
>  > Paractically it is probably not possibel to distinguish between really
>  > commercials and those hobby "commercial" non open source developers.
>  > I also don't want newcommers to get excluded just because they don't
>  > want their app becoming open source.
>  > [snip]
>  > Of course I can understand that some of the more active
>  > contributorsare disapointed that there are so many "ideling"
>  > ppl around.
> Respectfully, I think the answer in this case is that people in your 
> situation are valued members of the larger Jabber community. However, 
> they may not make good candidates for members in the JSF.

And why not? 

I personally have 

chosen jabber BECAUSE it is simply a good forum for us who use the jabber protocol. 
We are those that need the jabber protocol. And don't take me wrong but the JSF is for 
us, who develop for jabber the jabberd's or the clients (in any way, commercial , open 
source or whatever).

And basically: many jabber clients are non open source and non commercial.
In fact the coders DO NOT REALLY CARE about what they are, they simply use the 
jabber protocol and should have influence on it of course. This is the sense: simple 

I have absolutely NO INTEREST nor do I see any reason for a FEE. The reason for the 
JSF is that we ppl that develop for jabber have our forum where we tacle out new 
protocols. And sometimes some of us are interested in promoting Jabber a bit so the 
play marketing team and even use some sponsored money to make some kind of 

JSF is nothing else then this forum.

And I, as a part of this forum, just want to tell you:
I wont accept to have a partly commercialised JSF that holds commercial big 
companies or open source only developers blah blah blah...
I am simply against such an idea that is totally contraproductive to that what the JSF is.

And to say it like this: I want a JSF that everybody can simply join for free, just when he 
thinks he has some needs to contribute at the envolvement of jabber.

Do you think Daniel, Alex and me did not contribute to the envolvement of jabber, tell 
me a reason why we should get kicked out? We are here for a very long time.

Matt Tucker, who do you think you are? I looked you up in google and you are a small 
commercial jabber lib developer or whatever. I don't really care...
Is the reason for this whole thing the strategy to force us non open source hobby coders 
out of the JSF to reduce the risk of getting concurrence in later years?

I am REALLY ANGRY about the whole thing and I will not accept this shit.


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