[Foundation] membership, money, and meritocracy
shawn at black9.net
Sat Apr 5 17:14:36 CST 2003
Matt Tucker wrote:
>> If this is the case then I vote to absolve the JSF. It really has no
> Heh. Did you mean "dissolve"?
>> You want advocacy but then you aim to extricate and obfuscate
>> developers of some of the core jabber clients. W/o clients Jabber
>> would not exist.
>> JSF does not help out the community. Unless of course you include
>> projects such as jabberstudio. In which I digress. Otherwise I see
>> very little help here. Most of the documentation is the same as it
>> was prior to the JSF forming and the mailing lists that help the most
>> really aren't even part of the foundation (dev, etc.)
>> So then if the JSF doesn't maintain the protocol, doesn't want key
>> advocators and provides nominal support to the key community. Where
>> exactly does that leave it? Has it simply become a mechanism by
>> which to push the ideals of Jabber.com? A commercial entity who's
>> sole purpose is to accumulate capital.
> Frankly, I just don't understand where you're getting all of this.
> Nobody has said "let's kick members X and Y and Z out of the JSF
> because they suck". Instead, people are saying, "we need to find ways
> to strengthen the JSF and redefine what it means to be a member".
By strengthening what it means to be a member means that member
requirements will be redefined and people will be removed. I never said
people would be removed because they suck.
> One of your core arguments is that "JSF does not help the community"
> and that things haven't improved much since the JSF began. If you
> truly believe that, isn't that a tacit argument for changing the JSF
> membership, perhaps using some of the ideas proposed by others on the
> list? Personally, I'm not so pessimistic about the role and
> effectiveness of the current JSF membership. However, change is good,
> and as Jabber/XMPP matures, the non-profit organization that promotes
> it should as well.
No, it means the way things are run needs to change. Not necessarily
the membership. If you have a group of 80 people sitting around and
doing nothing and you remove 70 of those people you will still have 10
people just sitting around doing nothing...
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