[Foundation] a simple reform

Daniel Chote daniel at chote.net
Fri Apr 11 09:50:46 CDT 2003

I agree with this route... seems logical and fair.

Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

> OK, here are the stats:
> We have 87 members (with Nick Perez's resignation).
> 47 of those were accepted in the initial batch of members in June 2001.
> 11 were accepted in April 2002.
> 13 were accepted in October 2002.
> 17 were accepted in January 2003.
> We could do this:
> Those accepted in 2001 need to reapply this July.
> Those accepted in 2002 need to reapply this October.
> Those accepted in January 2003 need to reapply next January, and then
> we'll be on the quarterly schedule (so those accepted this month need to
> reapply in April 2003, etc.).
> Peter
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 09:36:12AM -0500, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>>Yes, I thought of that. Let me look up some stats on exactly when
>>everyone became members. We could stagger the re-application process.
>>Personally I would think that some people simply would not re-apply.
>>Indeed every once in a while someone will simply resign from the
>>membership because they're not involved anymore -- for example, Nick
>>Perez did this just the other day.
>>On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 09:56:41AM -0400, Russell Davis wrote:
>>>on the whole great idea except with the current makeup of the JSF
>>>membership and depending on how all the details are worked out i can see
>>>a possible problem with a large block of the current membership coming
>>>up for renewal at one time.
>>>On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 09:15, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>>>>I'd like to again thank everyone who participated in the recent thread
>>>>on the meaning of JSF membership. The fact that members are passionate 
>>>>and opinionated is a Good Thing.
>>>>I've been thinking about this topic for weeks and I've discussed it with
>>>>numerous JSF members and Board members. Lots of ideas have been floated:
>>>>charging for membership, setting up levels of membership (e.g., voting 
>>>>and non-voting), allowing only those on JSF work teams to be members,
>>>>etc. Many of these involve unnecessary complexity, I think, and really
>>>>won't solve the problem. And what is the problem? It's not that the JSF
>>>>is too open, but that members are, with very little effort, granted the
>>>>equivalent of tenure: once a member, always a member. So I'm thinking
>>>>that a simple reform would be to say that the term of membership is one
>>>>year. When you are accepted as a member, your membership term is dated
>>>>from the beginning of the application period in which you applied (e.g., 
>>>>2003-04-01 for those who are accepted this month). In the application
>>>>period 12 months later, you must re-apply -- and you must list your
>>>>Jabber-related accomplishments for the last 12 months. I don't think it
>>>>matters all that much exactly what those accomplishments are, but
>>>>they should be things that contribute toward the threefold mission of 
>>>>the JSF (develop the protocol, assist the community, and promote Jabber
>>>>technology). So one's accomplishments could include writing JEPs, 
>>>>releasing software, posting consistently and productively to mailing 
>>>>lists, creating documentation, giving talks to Linux User Groups and 
>>>>industry forums, working actively on the Jabber Council or one of the
>>>>JSF work teams, and the like.
>>>>This simple reform would ensure that only active contributors are JSF
>>>>members, and it might also encourage JSF members to be more active. :)
>>>>Obviously we'd need to work out some details (e.g., what happens if a
>>>>Council or work team member is not re-accepted -- how do we elect a
>>>>replacement for that person?). But I think that won't be too hard.
>>>>I'm not formally proposing this yet (i.e., it's too late for us to vote
>>>>on this at the meeting on April 23), but I'd like to discuss it and see
>>>>what people think.
>>>>Thanks again.
>>>Members mailing list
>>>Members at jabber.org
>>Peter Saint-Andre
>>Jabber Software Foundation
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Daniel Chote
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