R: [Foundation] statement from the Board
marco.palombi at tipic.com
Sat Aug 2 08:25:00 CDT 2003
very good point (I agree there could be some interference with the IETF
process), although IMHO I would leave these points, as well as others, to
the evaluation of the team that will set up by the Board.
How do we know if we can start the process? Is a vote needed (would hope a
new one is not;-) ).
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di Ryan Eatmon
Inviato: sabato 2 agosto 2003 13.00
A: members at jabber.org
Oggetto: Re: [Foundation] statement from the Board
Technically, I don't think we need to run this as a
motion/proposal/vote. I believe the Board is going to shape this like
the Marketing Committee, which is at the discretion of the Board.
What the Board will need to do, now that we see that people seem to like
the idea, is to setup the committee, find someone to run it, attach a
Board member to be the liaison, and get going.
One concern we do have is timing of opening xmpp.org. We will likely
want to wait until XMPP has come out of the IETF as a standard. We do
not want to do anything prematurely that might affect it passing,
because at this stage in the IETF process it becomes more and more
political. We want to make sure we do things correctly and do not
That said we can probably start working on the portal and just call it
xmpp.jabber.org for testing/development purposes.
Barry Lee wrote:
> I would like to thank the Board of Directors for their concerns of the
> membership and fully agree with their statement.
> I would presume that this is a motion and I have not seen a seconder.
> I second the motion.
> If this is only a proposal then I put it forward as a motion.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members-admin at jabber.org [mailto:members-admin at jabber.org] On
> Behalf Of Peter Saint-Andre
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:56 PM
> To: members at jabber.org
> Subject: [Foundation] statement from the Board
> The Board of Directors of the Jabber Software Foundation has agreed
> on the following statement:
> August 1, 2003
> The JSF Board of Directors recognizes the concerns among some members of
> the Jabber community that led to the recent proposal to remove the word
> "Jabber" from the name of the organization. These include:
> 1. The desire to have an IM protocol, logos, compliance testing
> suites and marks, etc. that are not "encumbered" by the JABBER name,
> since that name is also used in the company name of Jabber, Inc.
> 2. The desire to capitalize on standardization of the IM protocol
> developed by the Jabber community within the IETF's Applications
> Area under the name of XMPP.
> 3. The need for clearer communication of the fact that the JSF
> is fully distinct from Jabber Inc.
> 4. The need to complete the transfer of the JABBER trademark
> to the JSF.
> These concerns are legitimate. Indeed, even some members of the Board
> voted for the name change. However, the fact that the name change
> proposal was rejected does not mean that these concerns should not be
> addressed. Addressing them is not only the right thing to do, but we
> believe it will also help to lessen some of the existing tensions within
> the community and create a structure in which everyone can contribute
> and work together in building the protocol as well as associated
> technologies, networks, and the community itself.
> Obviously much could be done to address these concerns: acceleration of
> the trademark transfer work accomplished by the Board over the last 12
> months, renaming of JEP-0073, improved wording on the JSF website, and
> perhaps a different JSF logo. Those efforts are all valuable and should
> be pursued. Above and beyond those efforts, the Board has concluded that
> we need a framework for harnessing the contributions and energies of
> those who for whatever reason are not comfortable with the Jabber
> branding of the JSF. Ideally, such a framework should help to address
> the core concerns of some community members, as well as capitalize on
> the community's standardization efforts within the IETF.
> The proposed framework is as follows:
> 1. Inaugurate a website at xmpp.org devoted exclusively to
> documentation of XMPP-based protocols for instant messaging and
> 2. These protocols would include both relevant output from the
> IETF's XMPP WG and IM protocols developed through the JSF's
> normal standards process (e.g., multi-user chat and file
> 3. Define a compliance testing program and certification
> mark for the XMPP protocols.
> 4. Provide a directory of XMPP applications, software
> companies, and service providers.
> 5. Enable sponsors to support only the JSF's xmpp.org
> activities if desired.
> The task of working out the details of such a framework will be pursued
> by a dedicated working group within the JSF that will be led by a member
> of the Board of Directors. Those details might include issues such as
> organizational structure, protocol naming, branding for XMPP vs. Jabber,
> and standards processes. The Board will resolve to create such a working
> group if consensus can be reached on the proposed framework.
> Thank you.
> The Jabber Software Foundation Board of Directors:
> Michael Bauer (Chair)
> Tony Bamonti
> Ryan Eatmon
> Jeremie Miller
> Marco Palombi
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