[Foundation] my thoughts

Stephen Pendleton pendleto at movsoftware.com
Thu Jul 10 08:53:55 CDT 2003

	I have not been able to devote the time nescessary to make my contributions
to the JSF meaningful, therefore I have decided to leave the foundation -
however, I do have a thought regarding the benefits of the JSF from my
perspective. As a client developer I am very much interested in the JEP
process and it is extremely helpful to me to see a distinction between
final, standards track and informational JEP's. It is how I determine which
JEP's are potentially useful to develop and which  ones I should simply keep
an eye on. Without a JSF I do not know how the process can continue.

Do you have any thoughts how that process can continue with just a JEP


-----Original Message-----
From: members-admin at jabber.org [mailto:members-admin at jabber.org]On
Behalf Of Peter Saint-Andre
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:18 AM
To: members at jabber.org
Subject: [Foundation] my thoughts

I've been thinking quite a bit about the role and purpose of
the JSF of late, and I've come to the following conclusions:

1. JEPs provide documentation of protocols that have been or
are being implemented.

2. The distinction between standards-track and informational
JEPs is bogus. Some protocols are more popular than others,
and they become "standards" in an organic fashion (de facto,
not de jure).

3. The distinction between protocol developers and implementers
(standards-jig vs. jdev) is the slippery slope to irrelevance.

4. The jabber.org website is more than JEPs -- it contains other
documentation, software links, news, etc. This is right.

5. The Jabber community is more than JEPs, and it is the Jabber
community that matters, not the JSF's so-called standards process
(except as JEPs provide documentation to developers).

6. The JSF is at best an unnecessary distraction, and at best
positively harmful.

Therefore I suggest:

1. We abolish the JSF and its so-called standards process.

2. We keep JEPs as informational documentation ("jepforge",
anyone?). We keep the JEP editor in a role that is purely
editorial, but abolish the Council. There are no de jure
standards, only de facto standards.

3. We terminate the standards-jig mailing list and discuss
all protocols on the jdev at jabber.org mailing list.

4. We retain www.jabber.org as an informational website and
community hub, as it is now.

No, this is not an April Fool's email. I am completely serious
about everything I've written above.


Peter Saint-Andre
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