Reply to 'No Replies Please' Post (was Re: [Foundation] Old Timer POV - No replies please)

Evan Prodromou evan at
Sun Jul 13 21:03:42 CDT 2003

So, I'm sure I'm headed for some kind of mailing list Hades for
replying to a message that so vigorously requested 'No Replies', but I
had a question I wanted to ask. Not necessarily of Ryan, but of the
group at large.

First, I'd like to point out that the Jabber community has
_incredibly_ dedicated volunteers, proponents, and developers. I
wouldn't ever want to get on the wrong side of this group. B-) I don't
know how we can fail with this much effort and goodwill.

OK, now, on to the questions:

* Leaving aside brand recognition, which I recognize is a serious
  cost, how important is the name 'Jabber' to Jabber? If you took all
  the good parts of Jabber -- the design, the ethic, the community,
  the history -- and called it by another name, would it still be
  worth the emotional investment?

* In October 2004 (one year after proposed name-change vote), when
  we're all working on Parley or Splutter*, will you really care that
  it's not called "Jabber" anymore?

* Can we be sure that the people requesting a name change for Jabber
  and the JSF are really just 'bad eggs' trying to ruin everything for
  the rest of us? I don't know any of them personally, and I don't
  have any experience off-list with any. But it doesn't seem to me
  like any of them are acting in bad faith. There were an awful lot of
  signatories to the proposal. I wonder if it might be worthwhile to
  consider their point -- that commercial entities might have a hard
  time participating in the JSF if it has the name of their competitor
  in it -- at face falue.

* If the name 'Jabber' inhibits some commercial entities from joining
  in and helping out with Jabber, is it pretty much tough beans for
  them? How important is it to have commercial entities -- both
  current and future -- participate in the JSF and in the Jabber

* If the problem were big enough that some players or potential
  players went over to The Dark Side (muahahaha -- cue thunderbolt),
  rather than considering Jabber, would that be worrisome? Are we in a
  sufficient position of strength that we can tell any possible
  commercial partners to just go scratch themselves?

* The proposal undercuts some of the brand recognition for Jabber,
  Inc. Jabber, Inc. has been very friendly and positive towards this
  community, and in a way this proposal would be a rebuff to them. Is
  that unfair to them? What loyalty does the Jabber community owe
  Jabber, Inc.?

I have to be honest: I have great emotional attachment to the name
'Jabber' and I'm unconvinced by arguments that we _must_ change it or
die like bugs. But at the same time, from an objective POV, I see a
positive benefit to having commercial entities in the JSF, and
increasing their presence. I'd miss the name 'Jabber', but I think if
a new name that pleases everyone is found, well, that'd be boss.

Anyways, that's my spiel (again). I can't seem to shut my big yap
about this subject -- I guess it's just capturing my
imagination. Still not sure how I'll vote on this.


Evan Prodromou
evan at

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