[Foundation] voting update

Craig Kaes ckaes at jabber.com
Mon Mar 10 13:50:47 CST 2003

Peter, like others have expressed on this list, I am not satisfied with 
the process which you proposed.  I thought that I might be, but when the 
  logo that I liked best wasn't selected for the final six, I recognized 
that I had been misled by you.  My friend worked for hours on his image 
and it wasn't chosen and that sucks.

Choosing a logo is going to be the most important activity performed by 
the JSF this year and you have really cut out the membership on this 
one.  If we are not empowered to choose the icon that represents us, 
what good is it to be a member?  Oh, sure, you allowed us to "vote" on 
an image and gave us the means to change the process beforehand, but 
that doesn't really matter.  My buddy's logo wasn't selected and that sucks.

The real problem is that you feel that putting in insane amounts of 
effort, not only in time but in emotional energy for which you receive 
no compensation, gives you the right to make decisions for the JSF. 
Hitler put in great amounts of time and energy too but you know where 
that went.  Granted, you shared the decision making with the "marketing 
group" and we were all free to join that group and didn't, but that's 
because it wasn't advertised effectively enough.

There should have been a concerted effort -- maybe even a full fledged 
program to get the word of this Marketing group out to the membership. 
We do have, afterall, a JEP process -- couldn't the logo selection and 
marketing group joining processes be written up as a JEP to pass through 
the council?  We could have easily worked with a temporary logo during 
the six months that would have taken.  Market awareness is overrated. 
People could get used to the new image and, in time, come to associate 
it with us.  Just like the old one.

You know why I think you didn't?  Because you never wanted us to be 
involved.  You are on a power trip, my man!  I see you as a fascist and 
now wonder if Nazis are in control of the JSF.  I suspect that they are 
and have been for quite some time.  I resent that you have been hiding 
this from us for so long.  I ask all members to remain vigilant against 
this form of tyrrany.  United, we can stand against it.


Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> I just got off the phone with the conference coordinator at O'Reilly. He
> informs me that if we send our logo to them by March 19 or 20, they will
> be able to squeeze our logo in. So, in order to give us the maximum amount
> of time to choose the logo contest winner, and in order to meet all the
> requirements of Section 3.4 of the Bylaws, we are going to once again but
> for the last time change the process.
> 1. Proxy voting via memberbot will continue through Wednesday, March 19.
> And of course, discussion can continue on this list while we debate the
> alternatives.
> 2. We will hold an official meeting of the members on March 20 @ 18:00 UTC
> in foundation at conference.jabber.org in order to accept any in-meeting
> votes and then to validate the results, thus completing the logo selection
> process. This email is the official 10 days' notice of that meeting.
> The consensus in the open, publicly-announced Marketing meeting just ended
> [1] was that this will provide enough time to discuss and vote on the
> finalists, yet still meet our deadline with O'Reilly.
> Peter
> [1]
> http://www.jabber.org/chatbot/logs/conference.jabber.org/foundation/2003-03-10.html
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