[Foundation] voting update

David Waite mass at akuma.org
Mon Mar 10 14:26:32 CST 2003

I must agree with you Craig - clearly the insane amount of time and 
effort put into keeping the JSF running and promoting Jabber standards 
without appreciation has slowly turned Mr. Peter Saint-Andre into a 
tyrannical madman.

-David Waite

Craig Kaes wrote:

> Peter, like others have expressed on this list, I am not satisfied 
> with the process which you proposed.  I thought that I might be, but 
> when the  logo that I liked best wasn't selected for the final six, I 
> recognized that I had been misled by you.  My friend worked for hours 
> on his image and it wasn't chosen and that sucks.
> Choosing a logo is going to be the most important activity performed 
> by the JSF this year and you have really cut out the membership on 
> this one.  If we are not empowered to choose the icon that represents 
> us, what good is it to be a member?  Oh, sure, you allowed us to 
> "vote" on an image and gave us the means to change the process 
> beforehand, but that doesn't really matter.  My buddy's logo wasn't 
> selected and that sucks.
> The real problem is that you feel that putting in insane amounts of 
> effort, not only in time but in emotional energy for which you receive 
> no compensation, gives you the right to make decisions for the JSF. 
> Hitler put in great amounts of time and energy too but you know where 
> that went.  Granted, you shared the decision making with the 
> "marketing group" and we were all free to join that group and didn't, 
> but that's because it wasn't advertised effectively enough.
> There should have been a concerted effort -- maybe even a full fledged 
> program to get the word of this Marketing group out to the membership. 
> We do have, afterall, a JEP process -- couldn't the logo selection and 
> marketing group joining processes be written up as a JEP to pass 
> through the council?  We could have easily worked with a temporary 
> logo during the six months that would have taken.  Market awareness is 
> overrated. People could get used to the new image and, in time, come 
> to associate it with us.  Just like the old one.
> You know why I think you didn't?  Because you never wanted us to be 
> involved.  You are on a power trip, my man!  I see you as a fascist 
> and now wonder if Nazis are in control of the JSF.  I suspect that 
> they are and have been for quite some time.  I resent that you have 
> been hiding this from us for so long.  I ask all members to remain 
> vigilant against this form of tyrrany.  United, we can stand against it.
> --C
> Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> I just got off the phone with the conference coordinator at O'Reilly. He
>> informs me that if we send our logo to them by March 19 or 20, they will
>> be able to squeeze our logo in. So, in order to give us the maximum 
>> amount
>> of time to choose the logo contest winner, and in order to meet all the
>> requirements of Section 3.4 of the Bylaws, we are going to once again 
>> but
>> for the last time change the process.
>> 1. Proxy voting via memberbot will continue through Wednesday, March 19.
>> And of course, discussion can continue on this list while we debate the
>> alternatives.
>> 2. We will hold an official meeting of the members on March 20 @ 
>> 18:00 UTC
>> in foundation at conference.jabber.org in order to accept any in-meeting
>> votes and then to validate the results, thus completing the logo 
>> selection
>> process. This email is the official 10 days' notice of that meeting.
>> The consensus in the open, publicly-announced Marketing meeting just 
>> ended
>> [1] was that this will provide enough time to discuss and vote on the
>> finalists, yet still meet our deadline with O'Reilly.
>> Peter
>> [1]
>> http://www.jabber.org/chatbot/logs/conference.jabber.org/foundation/2003-03-10.html
>> -- 
>> Peter Saint-Andre
>> Jabber Software Foundation
>> http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.php
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