[Foundation] voting update

Tue Mar 11 09:41:37 CST 2003

Shawn,

After sending several emails offlist and reading the cbl from the
marketing meeting yesterday I was so disgusted with the whole thing that
Craig's innapropriate tirade was the last straw. I basically have washed
my hands of the whole business. Yes he should have been flamed to
kingdom come. Especially when you consider that he seems to be a member
of the JSF under the JINC umbrella. However, the general lack of support
I get when I try to bring up points of order occassionally, and the
other inane and gratuitous remarks made by others, means that I am no
longer willing to stick my head out anymore. I had decided to leave it
to others (obviously a mistake) to deal with his remarks as they were
ill conceived, down right rude and possibly alcohol-fueled. If however
he really thinks this way then perhaps it is an appropriate time to
consider invoking section 2.5 of the JSF bylaws.

Peter Saint-Andre on the whole does a great job. He should perhaps
relinquish or delegate a few of his duties to others so that
interrupting his day off to deal with small problems doesn't seem like
such a big deal, as he'd get one more than once a millenium. In no way
is St. Peter a nazi, a little heaveyhanded maybe but not a nazi.

bst rgrds
Russell Davis
email: ukscone at burninghorse.com
jid  : ukscone at burninghorse.com

On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 01:47, Shawn Wilton wrote:
> Holy shiza.  Why the hell was I incinerated to the point of pure carbon 
> and all he gets is a pat on the back?  Hot damn.
> 
> Ok, now in all seriousness, thanks to Peter for the hard work, but in 
> all honesty, do try to slow down some.  None of this is a race.  XMPP is 
> here to stay, there's no need to race to get this logo in to oscon.  
> Seriously.
> 
> On another note, can we begin holding all meetings in duplicate?  I 
> propose meetings 12 hours apart to maximize world convenience.  I would 
> love to attend these meetings as I have a great deal to say, but like 
> others I have fiduciary responsibilities that I can't neglect for XMPP.
> 
> -Shawn
> 
> 
> 
> Craig Kaes wrote:
> 
> > Peter, like others have expressed on this list, I am not satisfied 
> > with the process which you proposed.  I thought that I might be, but 
> > when the  logo that I liked best wasn't selected for the final six, I 
> > recognized that I had been misled by you.  My friend worked for hours 
> > on his image and it wasn't chosen and that sucks.
> >
> > Choosing a logo is going to be the most important activity performed 
> > by the JSF this year and you have really cut out the membership on 
> > this one.  If we are not empowered to choose the icon that represents 
> > us, what good is it to be a member?  Oh, sure, you allowed us to 
> > "vote" on an image and gave us the means to change the process 
> > beforehand, but that doesn't really matter.  My buddy's logo wasn't 
> > selected and that sucks.
> >
> > The real problem is that you feel that putting in insane amounts of 
> > effort, not only in time but in emotional energy for which you receive 
> > no compensation, gives you the right to make decisions for the JSF. 
> > Hitler put in great amounts of time and energy too but you know where 
> > that went.  Granted, you shared the decision making with the 
> > "marketing group" and we were all free to join that group and didn't, 
> > but that's because it wasn't advertised effectively enough.
> >
> > There should have been a concerted effort -- maybe even a full fledged 
> > program to get the word of this Marketing group out to the membership. 
> > We do have, afterall, a JEP process -- couldn't the logo selection and 
> > marketing group joining processes be written up as a JEP to pass 
> > through the council?  We could have easily worked with a temporary 
> > logo during the six months that would have taken.  Market awareness is 
> > overrated. People could get used to the new image and, in time, come 
> > to associate it with us.  Just like the old one.
> >
> > You know why I think you didn't?  Because you never wanted us to be 
> > involved.  You are on a power trip, my man!  I see you as a fascist 
> > and now wonder if Nazis are in control of the JSF.  I suspect that 
> > they are and have been for quite some time.  I resent that you have 
> > been hiding this from us for so long.  I ask all members to remain 
> > vigilant against this form of tyrrany.  United, we can stand against it.
> >
> > --C
> >
> >
> > Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> >
> >> I just got off the phone with the conference coordinator at O'Reilly. He
> >> informs me that if we send our logo to them by March 19 or 20, they will
> >> be able to squeeze our logo in. So, in order to give us the maximum 
> >> amount
> >> of time to choose the logo contest winner, and in order to meet all the
> >> requirements of Section 3.4 of the Bylaws, we are going to once again 
> >> but
> >> for the last time change the process.
> >>
> >> 1. Proxy voting via memberbot will continue through Wednesday, March 19.
> >> And of course, discussion can continue on this list while we debate the
> >> alternatives.
> >>
> >> 2. We will hold an official meeting of the members on March 20 @ 
> >> 18:00 UTC
> >> in foundation at conference.jabber.org in order to accept any in-meeting
> >> votes and then to validate the results, thus completing the logo 
> >> selection
> >> process. This email is the official 10 days' notice of that meeting.
> >>
> >> The consensus in the open, publicly-announced Marketing meeting just 
> >> ended
> >> [1] was that this will provide enough time to discuss and vote on the
> >> finalists, yet still meet our deadline with O'Reilly.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> http://www.jabber.org/chatbot/logs/conference.jabber.org/foundation/2003-03-10.html
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Peter Saint-Andre
> >> Jabber Software Foundation
> >> http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.php
> >>
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