[Foundation] JSF == Jabber Standards Foundation?

Harold E. Gottschalk Jr. heg at imissary.com
Thu May 22 16:58:07 CDT 2003

> > I am against this change 200%.
> > 
> > My personal opinion is that we have not gotten the traction needed 
> > because we do not have a reference piece of software.
> 200,000 downloads of Jabberd isn't that shabby....

I have no idea if this is a large number or small because without
comparison to something else it means nothing to me.  There are others
OS and free Ims out there that I am sure exceed that in downloads.
Downloads do not indicate acceptance by itself.

> >I
> > would hope one
> > day we move away from just this notion of being a standards 
> > organization
> > and produce an piece of software that we are willing to 
> stand behind.
> So, you're advocating that the JSF become product rather than 
> protocol chartered......I'll contend that this would divide 
> and diminish rather than unite and grow the JSF..........not 
> sure what effect it would have on the general XMPP/Jabber 
> community.....but I'd expect that others building products on 
> XMPP/Jabber would be far less inclined to participate with 
> and contribute to the JSF......and would find another 
> organization to be the standards bearer for on-going protocol 
> advancement.  Philosophically, the question is whether we 
> want the JSF to be an organization at the center of a diverse 
> community of open source and commercial constituents who have 
> embraced an open and compelling technology or just a branch 
> of that community focused on one particular product implementation.

I feel that if you license the software as BSD and you implement the
reference components the Open IM community can concentrated on using the
components that will be certified to work with each other and build
their differentiation on how their software implements a solution with
the reference software and protocol.  This would allow for quicker
implementation of XMPP/Jabber solutions, instead of spending resource
implementing the protocol all over again.

I think that my position would allow for a stronger community, because
sponsors would get a more tangible value from the foundation then just
an influence on the protocol.

But I am more interested in solving problems then selling servers and


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